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Aprendió a conocer ...


Perikles August 07, 2011 05:41 AM

Aprendió a conocer ...
 
Aprendió a conocer los barcos por sus voces, por el tamaño de sus luces en el horizonte, y a percibir que algo de ellos le llegaba de regreso en los relámpagos del faro.

El amor en los tiempos de cólera

Qué significa algo de ellos le llegaba ...... ? :thinking:

Gracias

aleCcowaN August 07, 2011 06:07 AM

Quote:

conocer.
(Del lat. cognoscĕre).

1. tr. Averiguar por el ejercicio de las facultades intelectuales la naturaleza, cualidades y relaciones de las cosas.
2. tr. Entender, advertir, saber, echar de ver.
3. tr. Percibir el objeto como distinto de todo lo que no es él.
....
Fuente: DRAE, 23a. edición

Perikles August 07, 2011 06:45 AM

OK, but

percibir que algo de ellos le llegaba de regreso en los relámpagos del faro. :thinking:

chileno August 07, 2011 06:45 AM

Y la imagen fugaz que le daba la luz del faro.

La duración de la luz que iluminaba brevemente la embarcación.

:)

aleCcowaN August 07, 2011 08:14 AM

I concur; the quick flash offered more visual information, subtle and blurry, all of it helping the character to spot each individual vessel. It's all showed as an estesia, sort of, this way to perceive is to sight the same way intuition is to intelligence, so, there's some activity of the id involved -and all the emotions potentially attached-.

Perikles August 07, 2011 09:02 AM

I feel brain-dead. How would you translate de regreso ?

chileno August 07, 2011 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 115127)
I feel brain-dead. How would you translate de regreso ?

in return..

that returned...

that came back...

;)

aleCcowaN August 07, 2011 11:28 AM

de regreso = back; backwards; the returning phase of a movement (a ball bounced, a beam reflected, a sound echoed)

The beacon swept the sea and the vessels flashed back its reflexion.

Perikles August 07, 2011 11:39 AM

Thanks guys, but it still doesn't quite make sense to me. :thinking::thinking::thinking:

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN (Post 115140)
The beacon swept the sea and the vessels flashed back its reflexion.

Why would anybody have to learn how to perceive this? :thinking::thinking::thinking:

aleCcowaN August 07, 2011 05:00 PM

I didn't read the book -I don't use to read fiction- so, take the following just as an speculation, not even a hypothesis. From that paragraph I imagine -no reason whatsoever- that a lonely lighthouse keeper, or somebody that lives a lonely or troublesome existence near a lighthouse or a port, that such a person is describing how he developed sort of a sixth sense to guess distant vessels in the dead of the night and project himself into the distance, as if a certain familiarity should derive from it. I think this emotional aspect is what is trying to convey that explanation about how his perception works: it's through the atmosphere created by the depiction of his perception that we know how much and deep it means to him.

chileno August 07, 2011 07:26 PM

I guess it says "he learned how to recognize the vessels...."?

AngelicaDeAlquezar August 08, 2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 115121)
Aprendió a conocer los barcos por sus voces, por el tamaño de sus luces en el horizonte, y a percibir que algo de ellos le llegaba de regreso en los relámpagos del faro.

El amor en los tiempos de cólera

Qué significa algo de ellos le llegaba ...... ? :thinking:

Gracias

"Aprendió a conocer..." suggests he usually heard the the honks and saw the lights of the boats that passed by, and after he noticed that if he paid attention, he could distinguish particular differences. So, he learnt --by listening and observing-- to identify which boat was the one he was listening to or watching.

The whole sentence suggests the man has developed some affection, maybe even some nostalgia, for those boats coming and going, so as he sadly feels they're away, he watches the lights of the lighthouse and he then feels they are closer to him, not because he's watching the boats under the reflection of the lights, but because he knows the boats can actually see the lights too. That's what brings a part of the boats (some sort of spirit he perceives) back to him.

poli August 08, 2011 11:03 AM

It's like the way a dog knows its master's footsteps.

Luna Azul August 08, 2011 02:18 PM

@Perikles, are you having problems with the term "algo de ellos"?

It refers to 'an entity that belongs to the ships, something the ships possess'. He felt those 'entities' came back to him through the flashes sent by the lighthouse.

You have to understand this is literary Spanish and it's not always easy to translate.

Translating García Márquez is very difficult for what I know.

:)

Perikles August 09, 2011 03:03 AM

I sort of get the gist, but couldn't find words in English to translate directly.

Thanks everyone! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

poli August 09, 2011 06:31 AM

The best translation I can think of is to get to know (the way of).

I'm huge fan of this but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVbJhg23Ao

AngelicaDeAlquezar August 09, 2011 07:54 AM

A translation proposal:

"He learnt to identify the boats by their voices, by the size of their lights at the horizon, and to perceive that something from them came back to him through the flashes of the lighthouse."

chileno August 09, 2011 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 115286)
A translation proposal:

"He learnt to identify the boats by their voices, by the size of their lights at the horizon, and to perceive that something from them came back to him through the flashes of the lighthouse."


That's excellent! :)

poli August 09, 2011 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 115121)
Aprendió a conocer los barcos por sus voces, por el tamaño de sus luces en el horizonte, y a percibir que algo de ellos le llegaba de regreso en los relámpagos del faro.

El amor en los tiempos de cólera

Qué significa algo de ellos le llegaba ...... ? :thinking:

Gracias

He got to know the boats. Their sounds were voices to him. He knew the size of their lights in the horizon. He saw them as individuals as they returned past the flashes of the lighthouse.

Perikles August 09, 2011 10:15 AM

Thanks both. Any more? This could be a competition with a prize :D


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