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Do you (usted) like Don Quixote? (English to Spanish)


Yoodle15 December 31, 2011 08:26 AM

Do you (usted) like Don Quixote? (English to Spanish)
 
What direct object pronoun should I use for "usted"? Lo and la?

Rusty December 31, 2011 08:33 AM

No direct object pronoun is used with the verb gustar. The subject is the book title 'Don Quixote'. The indirect object pronoun is 'le'. Since the third-person indirect object is ambiguous, you may add the indirect object 'a usted' to clarify to whom 'Don Quixote' is pleasing.

¿Le gusta (a usted) "Don Quixote"?

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 31, 2011 08:50 AM

In Spanish we prefer "El Quijote" referring to the book. "Don Quijote" would be for talking about the character. :)

Rusty December 31, 2011 08:54 AM

Oops! I forgot to translate the title.

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 31, 2011 08:56 AM

;)

I've always been curious about how that "x" is pronounced in English. :D

Rusty December 31, 2011 09:01 AM

Most of us say an English 'h' sound (like the Spanish 'j', but not aspirated) in that word - /kiˈhoʊhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/...una/thinsp.pngti/.
We have a different pronunciation for the 'x' in the word 'Mexico' - /ˈmɛkhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/...una/thinsp.pngsɪˌkoʊ/.

Some people apparently pronounce the word 'Quixote' as /ˈkwɪkhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/...una/thinsp.pngsət/. I've never heard it pronounced that way.

Yoodle15 December 31, 2011 11:17 PM

Thank you!

Glen January 01, 2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 120191)
Some people apparently pronounce the word 'Quixote' as /ˈkwɪkhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/...una/thinsp.pngsət/.

Maybe those people are thinking of the adjective "quixotic" - quijotesco - that comes from his name. Or maybe not, since it seems to be so rare to hear "quixotic" used in everyday speech.

AngelicaDeAlquezar January 01, 2012 07:51 PM

Thank you, Rusty! :rose:

@Glen: Interesting pronunciation too. :)

caliber1 January 01, 2012 11:24 PM

Rusty,
I just have a quick question on using "Le". Wouldn't you have to use "a usted" so that the person you are asking (hypothetically) knows you are asking them? I guess what I mean is that I could ask, "?Le gusta Don Quixote?" and it would be not specified who I am asking about. :thinking: I may be way overthinking this though. I just want to be sure :)

Rusty January 01, 2012 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliber1 (Post 120250)
... "¿Le gusta Don Quixote?"

Teeny-tiny correction. Use the 'Accents' drop-down menu above the text box. :)


Context is key.
If you and another person are having this dialog, and nothing has been said about a third person, the 'le' would clearly be understood by your listener as himself/herself (the one you're addressing, albeit at a formal level). Remember, 'usted' is an addressed person, not a referenced person. This particular subject pronoun is included with the other third-person referenced persons because it is conjugated the same way.
In English, 'you' is a second-person (addressed) subject pronoun.

caliber1 January 01, 2012 11:57 PM

That was my next question, if context played a roll. I figured it did, I just wanted clarification. Thank you sir!

wrholt January 02, 2012 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliber1 (Post 120250)
Rusty,
I just have a quick question on using "Le". Wouldn't you have to use "a usted" so that the person you are asking (hypothetically) knows you are asking them? I guess what I mean is that I could ask, "?Le gusta Don Quixote?" and it would be not specified who I am asking about. :thinking: I may be way overthinking this though. I just want to be sure :)

It all depends on context.

When no third person is currently the topic or focus of a conversation, "¿le gusta Don Quixote?" has no pragmatic referent other than "a usted", and many people won't bother to say it.

However, if you have been talking about some third person, "¿le gusta Don Quixote?" probably asks about that third person, and it becomes natural to say "¿a usted le gusta Don Quixote?" to indicate the shift in the subject of the conversation.

Edit: Yup, Rusty's already on it. :)

AngelicaDeAlquezar January 02, 2012 12:02 PM

Apart from what has been replied, for some of us, including the "a usted" makes the sentence sound more polite.

Yoodle15 January 10, 2012 12:05 AM

:):):)


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