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In the greek islands


Xinfu April 12, 2015 08:37 PM

In the greek islands
 
15/4/12 S

-In the Greek islands, the locals have an unusual way of celebrating Easter.

What's the difference between in and on?

Rusty April 12, 2015 09:09 PM

'In' and 'on' are seldom interchangeable, as they both have a specific set of meanings.
'In' usually includes the notion of 'within'.

In the house (within it)
On the house (on its surface)

However, both 'in the islands' and 'on the islands' can mean the same thing, when talking about place, location, situation, etc.

Xinfu April 13, 2015 10:24 AM

Thank you, but is it correct to say that 'in/on' can both be used for

__ an island?

Rusty April 13, 2015 04:27 PM

Not in that context, no. If you use 'in' it sounds like you're underground.

The way it appears in the original sentence you provided, it's OK to use either preposition because the meaning is the same either way. The context is a situation-about how Easter is celebrated-and the locale is being provided. 'In' is preferred over 'on' to express this idea.

wrholt April 14, 2015 12:12 AM

I think I've spotted a possible difference in how we view "on/in the Greek Islands" (which mean the same thing) compared to "on/in an island" (which mean different things).

The expression "the Greek Islands" can be perceived in two different ways:

(a) physically, as a collection of small land-masses, and
(b) politically, as a region inside of a boundary.

"On the Greek Islands" refers to physical location on one of the land-masses.

"In the Greek Islands" refers to physical location inside the politically-defined boundaries of the region that contains the Greek Islands.

We perceive the expressions "in an island" and "on an island" as having different meanings because we normally think of "an island" as a physical object and not as a polticially-defined region.

Xinfu April 14, 2015 06:05 AM

Thank you.

Xinfu April 21, 2015 03:54 AM

Then are in and on just the same?

-a book of instruction in a particular subject
-a book of instruction on a particular subject

wrholt April 21, 2015 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xinfu (Post 154746)
Then are in and on just the same?

-a book of instruction in a particular subject
-a book of instruction on a particular subject

In this type of context, no, they are usually not the same. For example, these two phrases have different meanings.

"A book on Chinese" discusses something about the Chinese language, but it may be written in any language. Here "on" identifies the content, but not the medium.

"A book in Chinese" is written in the Chinese language, but the content may be anything. Here "in" identifies the medium, but not the content.

Xinfu April 21, 2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrholt (Post 154748)
In this type of context, no, they are usually not the same. For example, these two phrases have different meanings.

"A book on Chinese" discusses something about the Chinese language, but it may be written in any language. Here "on" identifies the content, but not the medium.

"A book in Chinese" is written in the Chinese language, but the content may be anything. Here "in" identifies the medium, but not the content.

Thank you, but then what's the difference between
-a book of instruction in a particular subject
-a book of instruction on a particular subject

'subject' can't be a medium.

Rusty April 21, 2015 09:01 PM

It should be 'a book of instruction on a particular subject'. The first sentence doesn't sound right.

You may also use 'about' instead of 'of'.

Xinfu April 22, 2015 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 154752)
It should be 'a book of instruction on a particular subject'. The first sentence doesn't sound right.

You may also use 'about' instead of 'of'.

Thank you, but what do you think 'a book of/about instruction' is? Is it a manual, a guide, or?

Rusty April 22, 2015 04:48 PM

Oops! I meant 'about' may replace 'on'.
A book of instruction on/about a particular subject.

Sorry about the confusion.

A book of instruction is usually a called a manual or a guide.

Xinfu April 23, 2015 05:53 AM

Thank you.


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