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Usage of "ndoles" at end of verbs


Aprendo December 20, 2016 05:14 PM

Usage of "ndoles" at end of verbs
 
I googled and did not find anything. Admitting my ignorance I'm looking for the usage of verbs with "ndoles" at the end and others.

Example:

enseñandoles


Meaning, I believe, "teaching them?"

present progressive of the verb "enseñar" + "les"


If someone can help with the usage and also the meaning, I'd be grateful.


Thanks.

poli December 20, 2016 05:44 PM

enseñándoles. It's important to include the accent mark on the a. Enseñándoles is a compound word (enseñando + les) commonly used in Spanish in which the direct or indirect object pronoun is added to the gerundio or present progressive. In order to keep the integrity or the gerund an accent mark is required.

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 20, 2016 06:22 PM

I agree with Poli's reply.

I will just add:
You can't find "ndoles", because the proper endings are "-ando" (for verbs whose infinitive ends with "-ar") and "-iendo" (for infinitives ending with "-er"/"ir"). These endings in Spanish are often equivalents of English ending "-ing". In Spanish these are called "gerundios", but they are not to be confused with English "gerund".

"Le"/"les" are Indirect Object pronouns for the third persons.

And Spanish is sometimes an agglutinative language, so suffixes and pronouns have to be attached to the verb in many cases.


- Estoy enseñando las letras a mis sobrinas. (Direct Object)
-> Estoy enseñándoles las letras.
-> Estoy enseñándoselas.

- En este momento, Juan está agradeciendo a su jefe por su ascenso.
-> Juan está agradeciéndole por su ascenso.
-> Juan está agradeciéndoselo.

Finally, we use the written accent so the "new" word will keep the same stressed syllable as the original verb.

Aprendo December 20, 2016 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poli (Post 161264)
enseñándoles. It's important to include the accent mark on the a. Enseñándoles is a compound word (enseñando + les) commonly used in Spanish in which the direct or indirect object pronoun is added to the gerundio or present progressive. In order to keep the integrity or the gerund an accent mark is required.

Thank you, poli.

And I assume there is *always* an accent on the "a" in this structure.


Cheers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 161265)
I agree with Poli's reply.

I will just add:
You can't find "ndoles", because the proper endings are "-ando" (for verbs whose infinitive ends with "-ar") and "-iendo" (for infinitives ending with "-er"/"ir"). These endings in Spanish are often equivalents of English ending "-ing". In Spanish these are called "gerundios", but they are not to be confused with English "gerund".

"Le"/"les" are Indirect Object pronouns for the third persons.

And Spanish is sometimes an agglutinative language, so suffixes and pronouns have to be attached to the verb in many cases.


- Estoy enseñando las letras a mis sobrinas. (Direct Object)
-> Estoy enseñándoles las letras.
-> Estoy enseñándoselas.

- En este momento, Juan está agradeciendo a su jefe por su ascenso.
-> Juan está agradeciéndole por su ascenso.
-> Juan está agradeciéndoselo.

Finally, we use the written accent so the "new" word will keep the same stressed syllable as the original verb.

Thank you very much.

This helps a lot.

Perhaps this is seen in writing more than it's spoken?

And with the accent added, OK, I now understand. Cheers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 161265)
And Spanish is sometimes an agglutinative language, so suffixes and pronouns have to be attached to the verb in many cases.

Is this the term for this?

Or is this grammar construction called something else?

poli December 21, 2016 12:47 PM

Yes, that accent mark is always used in these cases. It's good to familiarize yourself with this usage, because it is frequently used. FYI: You can also use
les están enseñando.

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 22, 2016 12:05 AM

Agglutination is the process in which a compound word is formed when several particles are attached to it. Spanish verbs sometimes need to have pronouns and suffixes attached to it. That's a characteristic of an agglutinative language.

This doesn't only happen with "gerundios", but also with the imperative and the infinitive:

- Dime dónde estás.
-> Dímelo.

- Voy a abrir la puerta a mis padres.
-> Voy a abrírsela.


In other cases the pronouns normally precede the verb:

- Le dije a Juan que viniera.
-> Se lo dije.

- Mis abuelos me contaban historias.
-> Mis abuelos me las contaban.


Also, as Poli correctly said, you may alter the order of the pronouns and still mean the same:

- Estoy enseñando las letras a mis sobrinas.
-> Se las estoy enseñando.

- Juan está agradeciendo a su jefe por su ascenso.
-> Juan se lo está agradeciendo.

Although this is a more frequent usage, some people also find it more colloquial and they prefer that the pronouns are directly related to the main verb. So in these examples it would be preferred to attach the pronouns to "enseñar"/"agradecer", instead of placing them before "estar". :)


"Gerundios" and infinitives allow to exchange the place of the pronouns:
- El niño ha estado gritándonos desde hace una hora. :approx: El niño nos ha estado gritando desde hace una hora.
- El año pasado iba a proponerle matrimonio a Rosa. :approx: El año pasado le iba a proponer matrimonio a Rosa.


But imperatives must keep them:
- Háblame.
- Váyase.
- Comuníquense.
- Comprendámoslo.

Aprendo December 22, 2016 11:15 PM

Thank you very much, Angelica.


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