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¿Helper pronouns?


taobuckets December 20, 2008 02:59 PM

¿Helper pronouns?
 
I am confused :confused: about words such as ... ayudarme ... which seems to be the infinative ayudar + the pronoun ... me. What type of word is this? Can the infinative of any verb be used? Can any pronoun be added ... yo, lo, nos?
Necisito la ayuda, por favor

Jessica December 20, 2008 03:05 PM

like quedarme and quedarte? yeah I'm kind of confused too

Rusty December 20, 2008 07:37 PM

What you're seeing tacked on the end of the infinitive is a direct object pronoun. Direct object pronouns can be suffixed to an infinitive in many circumstances, so long as the infinitive is a verb that takes a direct object (it must be a transitive verb, in other words). If the verb is conjugated, the direct object pronoun usually precedes the verb in all but the imperative mood.

You chose a verb that is transitive in nature (it takes a direct object). jchen chose a verb that is reflexive. The pronouns used in her examples are not direct object pronouns, they are reflexive pronouns. But even those are usually moved to in front of the verb once it is conjugated.

Without going into a lot of detail about both types of verbs, suffice it to say that the pronoun is often suffixed when the verb is in its infinitive form. There will almost always be a conjugated verb in front of the infinitive+pronoun structure.

Examples
¿Quieres ayudarme? = Do you want to help me?
Sí, puedo ayudarte. = Yes, I can help you. -or-
Sí, te puedo ayudar. = Yes, I can help you.

¿Puedo ayudarte? = Can I help you?
Sí, ayúdame, por favor. = Yes, help me, please.

Yo te ayudo. = I help you.
Él me ayuda. = He helps me.
Ella lo ayuda. = She helps him.
Él la ayuda. = He helps her.
Ellos nos ayudan. = They help us.

CrOtALiTo December 20, 2008 08:32 PM

Rusty's explain is very recommendable, I want suffice that the verb cans used in this examples:

Puedo decirte mas que mi corazón

I can telling you more than my hart.

I only suffixed the rest of the sentence, because I don't know as I explain you, I hope my attempt cans help you.

vita32 December 07, 2010 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 22304)
What you're seeing tacked on the end of the infinitive is a direct object pronoun. Direct object pronouns can be suffixed to an infinitive in many circumstances, so long as the infinitive is a verb that takes a direct object (it must be a transitive verb, in other words). If the verb is conjugated, the direct object pronoun usually precedes the verb in all but the imperative mood.

You chose a verb that is transitive in nature (it takes a direct object). jchen chose a verb that is reflexive. The pronouns used in her examples are not direct object pronouns, they are reflexive pronouns. But even those are usually moved to in front of the verb once it is conjugated.

Without going into a lot of detail about both types of verbs, suffice it to say that the pronoun is often suffixed when the verb is in its infinitive form. There will almost always be a conjugated verb in front of the infinitive+pronoun structure.

Examples
¿Quieres ayudarme? = Do you want to help me?
Sí, puedo ayudarte. = Yes, I can help you. -or-
Sí, te puedo ayudar. = Yes, I can help you.

¿Puedo ayudarte? = Can I help you?
Sí, ayúdame, por favor. = Yes, help me, please.

Yo te ayudo. = I help you.
Él me ayuda. = He helps me.
Ella lo ayuda. = She helps him.
Él la ayuda. = He helps her.
Ellos nos ayudan. = They help us.

Can yo, él, ella, ellos be omitted from above phrases since the verbs themselves identifies the pronouns as per other threads that say so?

Gracias:)

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 07, 2010 12:52 PM

Yes, Vita. It depends on the context.

vita32 December 07, 2010 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 101320)
Yes, Vita. It depends on the context.

:thumbsup:Angelica, thanks. This means a lot to me. :)

Rusty December 07, 2010 05:01 PM

The subject pronouns aren't needed if the verb ending is non-ambiguous. The 3rd-person endings are ambiguous. We need to know whether you mean usted, él, or ella. In some tenses, the 1st person and 3rd person have the same ending, so yo is also a consideration for clarification. If it's clear who you mean, the subject pronoun can be omitted.


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