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Haber + haber


bobjenkins September 24, 2009 07:02 PM

Haber + haber
 
Hola tengo dudas sobre el uso de esa forma y os agradeceré si me explicáis. ¡Gracias por adelantado amigos!:)

Creo entenderlo así

Habría habido
There would have been :confused:


Nunca he conocido dos iguales consecutivos verbos (pero conjugados diferentes) tienen razón

Tomisimo September 24, 2009 07:50 PM

Si hubieras llegado a tiempo con las compras, habría habido comida en la fiesta.
If you would have gotten here on time with the things you were supposed to buy, there would have been food at the party.

Not a very good example, but hopefully it gets the point across.

chileno September 24, 2009 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobjenkins (Post 53308)
Hola tengo dudas sobre el uso de esa forma y os agradeceré si me explicáis. ¡Gracias por adelantado amigos!:)

Creo entenderlo así

Habría habido
There would have been :confused:


Nunca he conocido dos iguales consecutivos verbos (pero conjugados diferentes) tienen razón

There would have been = Habría sido o estado

Habría habido = There would have had...

Does that make sense?

I have had = yo he tenido o habido

I had had = yo había tenido o habido

Makes sense?

bobjenkins September 24, 2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 53322)
Si hubieras llegado a tiempo con las compras, habría habido comida en la fiesta.
If you would have gotten here on time with the things you were supposed to buy, there would have been food at the party.

Not a very good example, but hopefully it gets the point across.

Gracias por el ejemplo :)

Una pregunta, ¿se puede decir habría estado en lugar de habría habido?:confused:

There would have been = habría habido / habría estado / habría sido:confused:

¡gracias!

bobjenkins September 24, 2009 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 53327)
There would have been = Habría sido o estado

Habría habido = There would have had...

Does that make sense?

I have had = yo he tenido o habido

I had had = yo había tenido o habido

Makes sense?

Sólo ahora lo he leído, y creo entenderlo bien:)

Tomisimo September 24, 2009 08:06 PM

All three of them mean "would have been".

Habría sido bonito si no hubiera llovido en la boda.
It would have been nice if it wouldn't have rained during the wedding.

Si hubiéramos avisado que veníamos a su casa, habría estado aquí.
If we would have let him know we were coming to his house, he would have been here.

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, habría habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.
If we would have cleaned the back yard, there would have been more space for the children to play.


In some variations of Spanish, they often substitute "hubiera" for habría, but many consider this "wrong" even though the usage is widespread:

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, hubiera habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.

bobjenkins September 24, 2009 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 53333)
All three of them mean "would have been".

Habría sido bonito si no hubiera llovido en la boda.
It would have been nice if it wouldn't have rained during the wedding.

Si hubiéramos avisado que veníamos a su casa, habría estado aquí.
If we would have let him know we were coming to his house, he would have been here.

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, habría habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.
If we would have cleaned the back yard, there would have been more space for the children to play.


In some variations of Spanish, they often substitute "hubiera" for habría, but many consider this "wrong" even though the usage is widespread:

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, hubiera habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.

Muchas gracias finalmente entiendo el español bien y se hace más fácil para mi construir las oraciones en el cabeza:)

Tomisimo September 24, 2009 08:14 PM

El aprender a través de ver ejemplos es una buena manera de aprender.

chileno September 24, 2009 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 53333)

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, hubiera habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.

And

Si hubiéramos = If we had or had we....

tacuba September 26, 2009 09:34 AM

Hey Bob, check out this link:

http://home.minneapolis.edu/~witwerda/grammar/haber.htm

Here's an excerpt:

PERFECT TENSES:
ha habido -- there has/have been
había habido -- there had been
habrá habido -- there will have been
habría habido -- there would have been
haya habido -- "that there may/will be"
hubiera habido -- "that there had been"

CrOtALiTo September 26, 2009 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 53322)
Si hubieras llegado a tiempo con las compras, habría habido comida en la fiesta.
If you would have gotten here on time with the things you were supposed to buy, there would have been food at the party.

Not a very good example, but hopefully it gets the point across.

I've a question for you David.

In your sentence where you wrote the word Habria Habído really it would be better Hubíera habido.


I hope your comments.

bobjenkins September 26, 2009 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacuba (Post 53589)
Hey Bob, check out this link:

http://home.minneapolis.edu/~witwerda/grammar/haber.htm

Here's an excerpt:

PERFECT TENSES:
ha habido -- there has/have been
había habido -- there had been
habrá habido -- there will have been
habría habido -- there would have been
haya habido -- "that there may/will be"
hubiera habido -- "that there had been"

¡gracias por la enlace!

Tomisimo September 27, 2009 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 53594)
In your sentence where you wrote the word Habria Habído really it would be better Hubíera habido.

Por eso escribí:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 53333)
Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, habría habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.
If we would have cleaned the back yard, there would have been more space for the children to play.


In some variations of Spanish, they often substitute "hubiera" for habría, but many consider this "wrong" even though the usage is widespread:

Si hubiéramos escombrado el patio, hubiera habido más espacio para que los niños jugaran.

En fin, "si hubiera x, hubiera y" se usa mucho, pero lo correcto es "si hubiera x, habría y".


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