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¿Masculino o femenino?


xchic March 01, 2010 03:39 AM

¿Masculino o femenino?
 
I know that all nouns have a gender, and that it’s the word rather than the thing that has the gender. I also know that generally speaking, words ending in D, A, Z & IÓN are feminine & just about all the others are masculine.

Obviously there are exceptions such as el sofá, el agua, el día, el mapa & my personal favourite el problema (most of the problems in my life have been caused by men, so it seems strangely appropriate!)

What I really want to know is, is there a rule for detecting the irregular words, or, as I suspect, do we just have to learn them?

Perikles March 01, 2010 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xchic (Post 74295)
Obviously there are exceptions such as .... el agua,

I think you need to revise this - the article is el for a feminine noun which starts with a vowel or h (el hada (fem.) as well) :)
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Originally Posted by xchic (Post 74295)
my personal favourite el problema (most of the problems in my life have been caused by men, so it seems strangely appropriate!)

What I really want to know is, is there a rule for detecting the irregular words, or, as I suspect, do we just have to learn them?

Hmm - I could list a load of nouns which are feminine which could invoke personal comments, but I won't :rolleyes:. As for the exceptions, it does sometimes help if you know the origin of the word, but the short answer is you have to learn them. :(

xchic March 01, 2010 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74296)
I think you need to revise this - the article is el for a feminine noun which starts with a vowel or h (el hada (fem.) as well) :)Hmm - I could list a load of nouns which are feminine which could invoke personal comments, but I won't :rolleyes:. As for the exceptions, it does sometimes help if you know the origin of the word, but the short answer is you have to learn them. :(

Yes - agua fría :duh:


I really want a kicking myself smiley:o

laepelba March 01, 2010 05:50 AM

Isn't it words of Greek origin that end in "-a" but are masculine: problema, tema, drama, programa, mapa, and planeta. ??

Edit: add more: idioma, telegrama, clima, poeta, profeta, cometa, systema, lema

??

Perikles March 01, 2010 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 74305)
Isn't it words of Greek origin that end in "-a" but are masculine: problema, tema, drama, programa, mapa, and planeta. ??

Edit: add more: idioma, telegrama, clima, poeta, profeta, cometa, systema, lema

??

|I was thinking on those lines but wanting to give a more specific answer. Both problema and tema are direct from Greek and originally neuter, but others are not (kometes is masculine, meaning having long hair). Some are derived (planeta) and others invented (telegrama). :thinking:

laepelba March 01, 2010 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74306)
|I was thinking on those lines but wanting to give a more specific answer. Both problema and tema are direct from Greek and originally neuter, but others are not (kometes is masculine, meaning having long hair). Some are derived (planeta) and others invented (telegrama). :thinking:

Notice that I wrote all sorts of question marks around my post. :)

The funny thing is that I was searching online for nouns of Greek origin that are masculine in the Spanish language. I came up with mostly websites that had pages of lists of words that are masculine or feminine for whatever reasons. Many of these pages listed "agua" in the list of masculine nouns that end in "-a". But isn't true, right? Isn't it a feminine noun that simply takes "el" as the definite article in the singular because of the sound combinations?

ookami March 01, 2010 08:23 AM

Yes, you are right. Because it starts with a stressed "a" it takes "el" as article. But is feminine, from the Latin word aqua.
"El agua de río..." ; "La misma agua..." ; "No queda demasiada agua..." ; "Más allá del agua..."

irmamar March 01, 2010 12:21 PM

Take a look here. :)

There are also feminine nouns ending in -o (mano, moto, radio, etc.). :D

xchic March 01, 2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 74362)
Take a look here. :)

There are also feminine nouns ending in -o (mano, moto, radio, etc.). :D

:thumbsup:

I've often wondered why mano is feminine too.

moto = motobicicleta & radio = radiograma so the reason there is obvious.


I suppose I should just be grateful that there are less irregularities in Spanish than in English!

irmamar March 02, 2010 12:34 AM

Because mano comes from Latin "manus", which was a feminine noun, but changed -us into -o. :)

And yes, you should. :D :)

xchic March 02, 2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 74439)
Because mano comes from Latin "manus", which was a feminine noun, but changed -us into -o. :)

And yes, you should. :D :)

The roots of language fascinate me, but without studying this more than I have I'll just have to learn which are irregular.

& trust me, I am grateful:D

irmamar March 02, 2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xchic (Post 74440)
The roots of language fascinate me, but without studying this more than I have I'll just have to learn which are irregular.

& trust me, I am grateful:D

Learning languages is both hard and fun. :)

Perikles March 02, 2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xchic (Post 74433)
I suppose I should just be grateful that there are less irregularities in Spanish than in English!

*cough* fewer irregularities. :)

xchic March 02, 2010 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74456)
*cough* fewer irregularities. :)

:o

In my defence - it was 6.30am & pre- coffee

laepelba March 02, 2010 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74456)
*cough* fewer irregularities. :)

I wasn't going to say it...........

By the way - isn't "foto" feminine because it's short for "fotografía"? :)

bobjenkins March 02, 2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 74480)
I wasn't going to say it...........

By the way - isn't "foto" feminine because it's short for "fotografía"? :)

Sí:)

Perikles March 02, 2010 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 74480)
By the way - isn't "foto" feminine because it's short for "fotografía"? :)

In the same manner, la moto from motocicleta :)

bobjenkins March 02, 2010 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74482)
In the same manner, la moto from motocicleta :)

Hay otras?:confused:

CrOtALiTo March 02, 2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 74441)
Learning languages is both hard and fun. :)

Yes you're right.


The languages are fascinates in the ambit cultural, but anyhow they've something hard in the learning, and at the same time are they fun when you are learning them.:D

irmamar March 03, 2010 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 74482)
In the same manner, la moto from motocicleta :)

Yes, but nowadays a "moto" is bigger than a "motocicleta". :)

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Originally Posted by bobjenkins (Post 74484)
Hay otras?:confused:

Aparte de polio (de poliomielitis), disco (de discoteca) y radio (que no sé si viene de radiodifusión o de radiotelefonía), no se me ocurren más :thinking: . He oído alguna vez "eco" de ecografía, pero no de forma habitual (como foto o moto, por ejemplo, que sí son habituales). :)


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