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jamlech July 19, 2010 07:54 PM

Lost in Spanish
 
Im using Rosetta stone and am running into some words and small phrases that are confusing me. The pictures are not making it clear to me. Here they are:

son rubios
somos canosos
soy pelirroja
somos rubias
es canosa

I am also having trouble with estoy and tengo. I notice in RS they dont say estoy frio but tengo frio. Why is this? Estoy means I am...what does tengo mean.

Please help me anyone. Im confused. :thinking:

chileno July 19, 2010 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamlech (Post 89168)
Im using Rosetta stone and am running into some words and small phrases that are confusing me. The pictures are not making it clear to me. Here they are:

son rubios
somos canosos
soy pelirroja
somos rubias
es canosa

I am also having trouble with estoy and tengo. I notice in RS they dont say estoy frio but tengo frio. Why is this? Estoy means I am...what does tengo mean.

Please help me anyone. Im confused. :thinking:

To be and to have are the verbs you'll have to get accustomed, just as we, Spanish speakers had to with the English counterpart. :-)

Don't worry, you are just picking it up, and already made the connection between "tengo frío" and "I am cold", you are doing fine! :)

Rusty July 19, 2010 08:18 PM

The verb ser (a linking verb in these sentences) means 'to be', but it appears in its conjugated form. If you don't already know these forms, the conjugations of verbs can be found in this site by typing in the infinitive (ser) in the box in the upper lefthand corner of the page, and selecting 'Conjugations'. You'll find that soy means I am; somos means we are.

The other word in the sentences is the 'predicate adjective' (or subjective complement). To find it in the dictionary, you need to convert the word into the normal 'dictionary entry' form. In the case of rubios, you should be able to see that the word has a plural ending. The dictionary entry will not be pluralized, so drop the final 's'. You'll find the word means blonde.
The dictionary entry is usually listed in a masculine form (ending in o), but not always. If you can't find the word pelirroja (which has a feminine ending), switch the ending to the masculine form.
Does that help you figure out the first several sentences?

Tener frío (note the accent) means 'to be cold'. These kinds of phrases need to be memorized, because they won't make sense otherwise. That is the way to say 'to be cold' in Spanish, and it won't transliterate back into English.

Estoy (from the infinitive estar) also means I am, but you must learn whether to use estar or ser. There is a great thread about when to use which one here in the forums.

CrOtALiTo July 19, 2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamlech (Post 89168)
Im using Rosetta stone and am running into some words and small phrases that are confusing me. The pictures are not making it clear to me. Here they are:

son rubios
somos canosos
soy pelirroja
somos rubias
es canosa

I am also having trouble with estoy and tengo. I notice in RS they dont say estoy frio but tengo frio. Why is this? Estoy means I am...what does tengo mean.

Please help me anyone. Im confused. :thinking:

Hello.

Don't fret with your phrases.
Here I leave you an advises.

son rubios ( Son rubios, Soy rubio, Somos rubios.)
somos canosos ( Son canosos, Soy canoso, Somos canosos)
soy pelirroja
somos rubias
es canosa

With those examples you can finish the other phrases of your question.:)

wafflestomp July 20, 2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jamlech (Post 89168)
Im using Rosetta stone and am running into some words and small phrases that are confusing me. The pictures are not making it clear to me. Here they are:

son rubios = Ellos
somos canosos = Nosotros
soy pelirroja Yo
somos rubias Nosotras
es canosa Él/Ella/Usted

I am also having trouble with estoy and tengo. I notice in RS they dont say estoy frio but tengo frio. Why is this? Estoy means I am...what does tengo mean.

Please help me anyone. Im confused. :thinking:

Hello :)
I use Rosetta Stone also. The tengo/estoy can be confusing. Trust me, once you go through Rosetta a lot and go through the random recall lessons you'll remember.
Making an estoy frío mistake is very embarrassing (I know from firsthand experience) because it takes a sexual meaning :D

I explained above in the quote by putting the subject pronouns, hopefully that helps you. I know Rosetta introduces the subject pronouns. Like rusty said, the subject pronoun is not necessary for a lot of the forms (yo,tú,nosotros,vosotros especially) because the meaning is already understood. You generally will need it for the él and ellos forms because you can't tell the gender of the person or what the object is.

jamlech July 20, 2010 05:02 PM

Now i know what my problem is. They are explaining the colors of the hair on people. Here is the kicker....Im color blind so I cant tell the different colors of hair lol. Hahahahaha...too funny. :lol:

Rusty July 20, 2010 05:16 PM

Pictures aren't always worth a thousand words.

CrOtALiTo July 20, 2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jamlech (Post 89219)
Now i know what my problem is. They are explaining the colors of the hair on people. Here is the kicker....Im color blind so I cant tell the different colors of hair lol. Hahahahaha...too funny. :lol:

Exactly they are explaining the hair colour of the people who are walking near of to them.:)

Tomisimo July 20, 2010 11:07 PM

Others have already responded with correct information. In my opinion, too much overt study of grammar, especially in the initial stages of learning, can actually inhibit your learning the language (it will activate Krashen's affective filter, if you want the technical details).

Anyway, the point being that sometimes it's good to just learn what a word or phrase means without trying to wrap your head around exactly why it means that and how all the internal grammar and syntax work. You can slowly pick up the grammar as you go along and when you are ready for it.

So...

son rubios - They are blond (They have blond hair)
somos canosos - We are gray-haired (we have gray hair)
soy pelirroja - I am red-headed (I am a red-head / I have red hair) ["I" is a woman]
somos rubias - We are blonde (We have blonde hair) ["we" is a group of women]
es canosa - She has gray hair (She is gray-haired)

Side note-- son, somos, soy, and es are all conjugations of "ser" - "to be".

Quote:

I am also having trouble with estoy and tengo. I notice in RS they dont say estoy frio but tengo frio. Why is this? Estoy means I am...what does tengo mean.
estoy = I am
tengo = I have

The tricky part here is that in Spanish you have to say "I have cold" instead of saying "I am cold".

AngelicaDeAlquezar July 21, 2010 09:00 AM

Just adding to what has been said, I hope it won't become more confusing:

When describing someone or something, "ser" talks about an inherent characteristic of a person. "Tener" talks about a characteristic, focused on something "external" to the subject.

Eres muy alto. - You're very tall.
Mis amigos son flacos. - My friends are thin.
Juan es calvo. - Juan is bald. -> Juan no tiene cabello. - Juan doesn't have any hair.
Soy morena. - I'm dark-skinned. -> Tengo piel morena. - I have dark skin.
Soy castaña. - I'm brown-haired. -> Tengo el cabello castaño. - I have dark hair.


As for being hungry, cold, etc., the difference is that in English this kind of expression needs an adjective and we use nouns in Spanish:

We're hungry. - Tenemos hambre.
Are you cold? - ¿Tienes frío?
The baby is sleepy. - El bebé tiene sueño.
I'm hot. - Tengo calor.

chileno July 21, 2010 10:00 AM

Yo soy 56 años de edad. ;)

CrOtALiTo July 21, 2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chileno (Post 89275)
Yo soy 56 años de edad. ;)

Yo soy de la tercera edad.

Hey Chileno this is without offending you only that the phrase sound more nature.

Yo soy de la segunda decada.
I'm a younger boy.
I'm a old man.

We're agree?

I hope your announcement soon.

chileno July 21, 2010 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 89291)
Yo son de la tercera edad.

Hey Chileno this is without offending you only that the phrase sound more nature.

Yo soy de la segunda decada.
I'm a younger boy.
I'm a old man.

We're agree?

I hope your announcement soon.

No, yo estoy hablando del problema que jamlech está pasando con el verbo to be y los verbos ser/tener en castellano.

CrOtALiTo July 21, 2010 01:50 PM

I got it.

AngelicaDeAlquezar July 21, 2010 05:08 PM

Just to clarify for beginners: "Yo soy 56 años" is a wrong sentence, which chileno might have wanted to use just to underline the difference of use between "to be" in English and "tener" in Spanish.

In Spanish, the age is not about how old (an adjective) a person is, but about the age (a noun), which is a characteristic that is not inherent to the subject.

-- ¿Qué edad tienes? (How old are you?)
-- Tengo 20 años. (I'm 20 years old.)

Juan es joven.
Juan is young.

El árbol del jardín es viejo. -> El árbol del jardín tiene 100 años.
The tree in the garden is old. -> The tree in the garden is 100 years old.

jamlech July 21, 2010 06:12 PM

Thanks angelica and tomisimo...your replies have helped me alot. :applause:

chileno July 21, 2010 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 89305)
Just to clarify for beginners: "Yo soy 56 años" is a wrong sentence, which chileno might have wanted to use just to underline the difference of use between "to be" in English and "tener" in Spanish.

In Spanish, the age is not about how old (an adjective) a person is, but about the age (a noun), which is a characteristic that is not inherent to the subject.

-- ¿Qué edad tienes? (How old are you?)
-- Tengo 20 años. (I'm 20 years old.)

Juan es joven.
Juan is young.

El árbol del jardín es viejo. -> El árbol del jardín tiene 100 años.
The tree in the garden is old. -> The tree in the garden is 100 years old.

El chiste es que la gente se interese...

En todo caso traté de darle "color" a tu respuesta. :wicked:

CrOtALiTo July 23, 2010 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 89310)
El chiste es que la gente se interese...

En todo caso traté de darle "color" a tu respuesta. :wicked:

Very creative your answer Chileno.

You have the Picardia Mexicana.:applause:


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