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Zapatos viejos


laepelba August 13, 2010 07:20 PM

Zapatos viejos
 
Las direcciones: Una persona desconocida se enfrentó a cinco situaciones hipotéticas. Responde qué habrías hecho tú en esas situaciones.

No entiendo a o b en número 3:

Quote:

3) Devolvió los zapatos después de usarlos una semana.
a) Habría pedido un par nuevo.
b) Me habría quedado con los zapatos viejos.
Does it mean:
He/She returned shoes after using them for a week.
a) I would have asked for a new pair.
b) I would have kept the old shoes.

???

I really don't understand. Choice "a" is supposed to be the virtuous choice. Choice "b" is supposed to be the less-than-honest choice. I don't see how "a" is the virtuous, unless I don't really understand the meaning. And I don't see what in the world "b" has to do with the context.

Help! (Thanks!)

JPablo August 13, 2010 07:46 PM

Well, I try to understand it myself, but I am hitting the same 'conundrum'... Your translations seem accurate...
(Do you have any more context?)
Option a) may be "virtuous" if you return the old shoes, and 'order' a new pair. I.e., I guess you send back the shoes (even if they are used for a week) and then pay for a new pair (?) [I take you don't get your money back from the ones you used for a week, and these can be given to someone... as in charity...]

Like Italians say "Bo! No lo so!" (Well, I don't know...) :thinking:

(Let's see some more context, and/or see if another 'forero' has more inspiration.) :crossfingers: :)

chileno August 13, 2010 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 91689)
Las direcciones: Una persona desconocida se enfrentó a cinco situaciones hipotéticas. Responde qué habrías hecho tú en esas situaciones.

No entiendo a o b en número 3:



Does it mean:
He/She returned shoes after using them for a week.
a) I would have asked for a new pair.
b) I would have kept the old shoes.

???

I really don't understand. Choice "a" is supposed to be the virtuous choice. Choice "b" is supposed to be the less-than-honest choice. I don't see how "a" is the virtuous, unless I don't really understand the meaning. And I don't see what in the world "b" has to do with the context.

Help! (Thanks!)

There is no context as you have presented it. Much of the explanation of what the exercise is unknown....

Now you surmise that choice "b" is a less-than-honest one. Why?

Just the way it is presented I can make this out:

The person returned the shoes after a week of using them ( trying them out)

A) the person asked for a new pair to try.
B) the person realized that these are not good shoes or whatever...

:)

Perikles August 14, 2010 01:38 AM

The only way I can make any sense of this is to assume two choices:

1. Demand new shoes
2. Put up with the shoes bought last week.

In which case los zapatos viejos are only one week old, which is not very old for shoes. Although a woman might think otherwise.... ;)

laepelba August 14, 2010 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPablo (Post 91692)
Well, I try to understand it myself, but I am hitting the same 'conundrum'... Your translations seem accurate...
(Do you have any more context?)
Option a) may be "virtuous" if you return the old shoes, and 'order' a new pair. I.e., I guess you send back the shoes (even if they are used for a week) and then pay for a new pair (?) [I take you don't get your money back from the ones you used for a week, and these can be given to someone... as in charity...]

Like Italians say "Bo! No lo so!" (Well, I don't know...) :thinking:

(Let's see some more context, and/or see if another 'forero' has more inspiration.) :crossfingers: :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 91698)
There is no context as you have presented it. Much of the explanation of what the exercise is unknown....

Now you surmise that choice "b" is a less-than-honest one. Why?

Just the way it is presented I can make this out:

The person returned the shoes after a week of using them ( trying them out)

A) the person asked for a new pair to try.
B) the person realized that these are not good shoes or whatever...

:)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 91707)
The only way I can make any sense of this is to assume two choices:

1. Demand new shoes
2. Put up with the shoes bought last week.

In which case los zapatos viejos are only one week old, which is not very old for shoes. Although a woman might think otherwise.... ;)

I gave you as much of the context as I was given. There were five questions. Each presented a one sentence statement of a conundrum, followed by two choices, (a) and (b). You were supposed to choose which (a or b) you would do in the given situation. At the end of the exercise, it says that if you chose (a) 3 to 5 times, "eres un(-a) ciudadano(a) responsable, generoso(a) y hoesto(a)" ... and that if you chose (a) 1 or 2 times, "tienes dudas en cuanto a tus responsabilidades como ciudadano(a)."

I know that there are some people who will buy a new item of clothing, wear it briefly, and then return it for full cash refund. Many women do that with dresses that they cannot afford but they need something "nice" for a special event. They buy the dress they cannot afford, wear it to the event, then return it for a refund. I assume that this question is asking something along those lines: Would I return a pair of shoes I have worn for a week, expecting a refund? What I don't understand is exactly what the (a) and (b) mean in this situation.

By the way, in a "vocabulario útil" box next to the exercise, it says that "quedarse con" means "to keep"...

Perikles August 14, 2010 04:04 AM

I see why you are baffled. I think they must have their responses the wrong way round.

chileno August 14, 2010 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 91709)
I see why you are baffled. I think they must have their responses the wrong way round.

I agree. It doesn't make sense. Can you post the rest of the questions?

laepelba August 14, 2010 06:41 AM

The rest of them are super-obvious....

Quote:

1) La vendedora le entregó diez dólares extra.
a) Habría devuelto el dinero.
b) No habría dicho nada.

2) Rompió una lámpara en la sección de muebles.
a) Habría avisado al gerente.
b) Habría ido a otro departamento.

3) **El número en la primer entrada**

4) Ganó un premio de cinco mil dólares.
a) Habría donado una cantidad a la Cruz Roja.
b) Habría puesto todo el dinero en el banco.

5) Vio a un ladrón salir de una joyería.
a) Habría cooperado con la policía.
b) No habría dicho nada a nadie.
Does that help?

chileno August 14, 2010 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 91716)
The rest of them are super-obvious....



Does that help?

Yes, but still the one being discussed not get any clearer... :confused:

laepelba August 14, 2010 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 91737)
Yes, but still the one being discussed not get any clearer... :confused:

Exactly! That's why I didn't include the others in my original post. I am just going to drop it. If my friends who are native Spanish-speakers think the exercise is confusing, then I will disregard it. :)

CrOtALiTo August 14, 2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 91689)
Las direcciones: Una persona desconocida se enfrentó a cinco situaciones hipotéticas. Responde qué habrías hecho tú en esas situaciones.

No entiendo a o b en número 3:



Does it mean:
He/She returned shoes after using them for a week.
a) I would have asked for a new pair.
b) I would have kept the old shoes.

???

I really don't understand. Choice "a" is supposed to be the virtuous choice. Choice "b" is supposed to be the less-than-honest choice. I don't see how "a" is the virtuous, unless I don't really understand the meaning. And I don't see what in the world "b" has to do with the context.

Help! (Thanks!)



I would have asked for a new pair.
But if that was my case, I have returned the shoes immediately, because isn't honest the fact that you have something that doesn't is your, I mean of your ownership.

What you have made it?

You have returned the shoes immediately or you have asked a new shoes pair?

laepelba August 14, 2010 01:01 PM

In fact, I never return something to the store that has been used unless it malfunctions immediately, and even then, I usually ask that it be repaired. With clothing, I figure that if I don't notice that there's something wrong, it's my fault for not being observant enough.

CrOtALiTo August 14, 2010 01:28 PM

It's good.
Exactly is named honesty.

Elaina August 14, 2010 01:53 PM

Well looking at it from a different perspective......

What would you do if....
-After using a pair of shoes for a week they become torn or start falling apart (implied)....

a) Return them and get a new pair (maybe the ones you got were defective)

OR

b) Just kept the old shoes. (meaning you are a wimp and should take them back as they were defective and you are in your own right to demand what you are paying for.)

In essence, "a" would be the better choice.

This is how I would see it.

Maybe I'm just a rebel at heart!:owl:

:)

laepelba August 14, 2010 01:57 PM

No, you're not being rebellious. You're right - I never thought of that possibility. I suppose you could come up with extenuating circumstances for each of the five situations. My thing is that I always want to be forthright. If the shoes were defective after a week, I would be very explicit when explaining why I want to return them....

Elaina August 14, 2010 01:59 PM

Yeah!

;)

JPablo August 14, 2010 04:12 PM

Thank you, Elaina, you solved the mystery.

(From my viewpoint the Spanish is worded in a way that you have to be a genius -like Elaina- to get it right...) (At any rate, good to have it solved!)

Elaina August 14, 2010 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPablo (Post 91768)
Thank you, Elaina, you solved the mystery.

(From my viewpoint the Spanish is worded in a way that you have to be a genius -like Elaina- to get it right...) (At any rate, good to have it solved!)


:lol::lol:

You crack me up!

JPablo August 14, 2010 06:09 PM

"Well then," I say, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to Elaina what belongs to Elaina." (I.e., the new shoes, not the old crappy ones...) ;) :)

CrOtALiTo August 14, 2010 09:51 PM

I have a couple questions.

Good night.

What does Belongs means?
What does Crappy means?

I found in a dictionary the meaning of the word Belongs, and I found this Pertenecer, I'm quite sure if am well with the meaning, please if you could clarify my ideas with it.

And I didn't achieve to find the Crappy means?

I will appreciate your advices.


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