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Old November 30, 2025, 12:44 AM
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I would appreciate it if you could comment on my analysis of the following samples.


Desde aquí se ve el mar.
You can see the sea from here.
[IMPERSONAL: One/people can see the sea from here.]
El mar is a direct object.
Se ve is reflexive verb verse in agreement with the implied subject la gente.
Would you agree that el mar is the direct object?

¿Se me ve algo?
Is my underwear showing through?
Algo is a subject (inanimate/indefinite)
Is something being revealed / shown for me to be ashamed of?
It is NOT IMPERSONAL.
Me is an intensifying (person affected/person responsible) indirect object pronoun.
Me means a person indirectly affected by the action of her underwear’s showing.

Por lo que se ve
Apparently
[IMPERSONAL: Because of / from what one can see]
Lo que is a object relative pronoun that refers to an abstract idea.
Se ve is reflexive verb verse in agreement with the implied subject la gente.

1. (Tú) Te ves preciosa en esa foto.
You look (seem) beautiful in that picture. It is NOT IMPERSONAL. The subject is .
Preciosa is an adjective complement.
Te ves is reflexive verb verse in agreement with the implied subject .

2. Se te ve más joven.
It is an IMPERSONAL sentence.
The implied subject is an animate being (uno, gente)
IT IS NOT a construction with the intensifying indirect object pronoun because this construction is used with INANIMATE SUBJECTS.
te is a direct object pronoun.
One believes (whom?) you to look younger.
Everybody believes that you look younger.
You are seen by people to look like a younger person.

Would you confirm that te is a direct object pronoun?

3. Súbete los texanos que se te ven los calzonzillos.
Pull up your jeans because you can see your shorts.
(your shorts are shown/seen for you to be ashamed)
It is NOT IMPERSONAL.
Los calzonzillos is a subject.
Te is an intensifying (person affected/person responsible) indirect object pronoun.
Te means a person indirectly affected by the action of his boxers’ showing.
Se ven is a reflexive verb verse in agreement with los calzonzillos.
Would you agree that los calzonzillos is the subject?

Súbete los texanos que se le ven los calzonzillos.
Pull up your jeans because one/people can see your shorts.
Súbete los texanos que se les ven los calzonzillos.
Pull up your jeans because they/ you (2pers,pl,formal) can see your shorts.
Would it be ok to modify the sentence like that?

Thank you.

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Old December 01, 2025, 11:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nfqufktc View Post
Desde aquí se ve el mar.
You can see the sea from here.
[IMPERSONAL: One/people can see the sea from here.]
El mar is a direct object.
Se ve is reflexive verb verse in agreement with the implied subject la gente.
Would you agree that el mar is the direct object?
Yes, "el mar" is the DO.
"Se" is not a reflexive particle, but just the sign of the impersonal.

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¿Se me ve algo?
Is my underwear showing through?
Algo is a subject (inanimate/indefinite)
Is something being revealed / shown for me to be ashamed of?
It is NOT IMPERSONAL.
Me is an intensifying (person affected/person responsible) indirect object pronoun.
Me means a person indirectly affected by the action of her underwear’s showing.
No, this is an impersonal sentence.
"Se", here, is an indicator of an impersonal sentence. It is not a reflexive pronoun.
The verb is "ver", and there is no subject that sees.
What can be seen is the direct object, and this is "algo".
The person affected by the thing that is showing, is me, so "me" is the indirect object.


I'll come back later with the rest of your sentences. I need to read more about this to write clearer explanations.
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Old December 02, 2025, 02:22 AM
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Thank you, AngelicaDeAlquezar. I am looking forward to hearing your other explanations.
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