Perception of Castillan/"Spain" Spanish by Latin Americans?

[satchrocks]

I've often wondered how "Spain" Spanish (as I like to call it) is perceived by Latin Americans. It seems that, similar to "English" English and "American" English, a different accent has developed in addition to different phrases (the oft-cited dropping of "vosotros" being a noticable difference between the European and Latin American languages, although there are definitely other things that are probably more noticable).

Since these languages have developed allopatrically (in separate geographic areas), what is the Latin American perception of European Spanish?

Por ejemplo:
In the United States, an "English" accent is oftentimes associated with being proper (or, in some cases, even intelligent).

[poli]

Originally Posted by satchrocks

I've often wondered how "Spain" Spanish (as I like to call it) is perceived by Latin Americans. It seems that, similar to "English" English and "American" English, a different accent has developed in addition to different phrases (the oft-cited dropping of "vosotros" being the a noticable difference between the European and Latin American languages, although there are definitely other things that are probably more noticable).

Since these languages have developed allopatrically (in separate geographic areas), what is the Latin American perception of European Spanish?

Por ejemplo:
In the United States, an "English" accent is oftentimes associated with being proper (or, in some cases, even intelligent).

Unless it's a low class British accent. Cockney for example--that's not
quite proper.
I think your question is a good one. I am not Latino but I know
quite of few Latinos many of whom are baffled by Spanish for Spain. I traveled to Spain. In a restaurant I had gone to, two Latinas were having lunch speaking Englsih mixed with Spanish. They addressed
the non-English speaking waiter in English. The grandfatherly waiter knew them, and didn't seem to mind. Apparently they frequented the place more than once. It was a struggle, but there was something sweet about it--nevertheless I hope this type of thing doesn't happen often. I think they were afraid to use what they knew for fear that they wouldn't understand the repsonse. Personally, I had no problem communcating with the waiter.
I have been told that some movies from Spain are dubbed for the Latin Amerincan audience although I have never seen this personally. I have seen a documentary filmed in Cuba for the Spanish audience that had subtitiles, and to top it off the Spanish spoke was simple and clear.

Despite all this, I think there is a perception among Latin American that Spanish from Spain sounds high-tone much the way we perceive British English.

[tacuba]

I have a friend here who is was born in D.F. and she told me that she had a horrible time understanding spoken Spanish in certain regions of Spain.

But heck, I have trouble understanding people from certain areas of my own country. Mississippi and Louisiana come to mind. I also met a guy here from Scotland, and I have to concentrate very hard to follow along when he's speaking at a normal pace.

[irmamar]

I agree, curious question. I've read that in Latin America Spanish accent is not liked, though I like it because is my own, of course

Here, several years ago, some American films and cartoons were dubbed into Spanish by Mexicans, so I think we are used to the Mexican accent.

In Spain we have no problems to understand, usually, people from Latin America. I think it's harder to understand the accent from some places in Andalucia, above all the places where "ceceo" is used instead of "seseo". In Latin America "seseo" is more usual than "ceceo", so it's easier to understand. Anyway I can see different ways of speaking in the same country. I've seen films dubbed by Mexicans with different accents, some of them are (how could I say in English?) more "cantarín", while others have a more neutral accent.

[bobjenkins]

Hola, me enteresa este hilo

¿Cuales dialecto es más difícil entender?
Alguien me dijo que en Argentina se habla muy rápidamente

Pienso que hay muchos dialectos en España que son muy difícil entender

[sosia]

When I heard south-american people,a t the beginning it reminds me of some "telenovelas", but after 3 minutes I forgot it and I only listen.

saludos

[Arielle]

I have never personally noticed a difference (except for the above noted "vosotros"), but now that all of these small twists have been pointed out, I bet I will be able to hear them!

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by Arielle

I have never personally noticed a difference (except for the above noted "vosotros"), but now that all of these small twists have been pointed out, I bet I will be able to hear them!

Mis orejas no discernen la differencia entre los dialectos. Todos los hispanohablantes suenan muy parecidos/iguales. Espero comprender la palabra hablada (spoken word) muy pronto

[poli]

Si sigue oyendo español podrás diferenciar accentos distintos. Muchos paises tienen accentos difinitivos. Puede ser divirtido distinguir accentos.
No soy ningún experto pero tuve éxito adivinando accentos.

[ROBINDESBOIS]

Un hilo muy interesante. Hay acentos bastantes diferenciados, el español más puro en cuanto a acento yo diría que es el hablado en el norte de España, notése País Vasco, Navarra y Castilla y León, las demás regiones tienden a tener un ligero acento, pero no tan pronunciado como los catalo-parlantes y no todos, los gallego parlantes y no todos, y los andaluces y otras comunidades del sur como puede ser extremadura. Los acentos de Sur America son varios tambien, yo distingo muy bien el argentino, el mejicano, el colombiano y el ecuatoriano, los demás son similares. La mayor diferencia entre el castellano de España y el español americano es el distinto uso de ciertos vocablos, que a veces nos suenan a chino, pero en general se mantiene una vonversación perfectamente. Y dudo que se doblen las películas a no ser que se trate de un lenguaje de la calle o una jerga específica de un grupo de gente, que ni los oriundos del país lo entienden.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by ROBINDESBOIS

Un hilo muy interesante. Hay acentos bastantes diferenciados, el español más puro en cuanto a acento yo diría que es el hablado en el norte de España, notése País Vasco, Navarra y Castilla y León, las demás regiones tienden a tener un ligero acento, pero no tan pronunciado como los catalo-parlantes y no todos, los gallego parlantes y no todos, y los andaluces y otras comunidades del sur como puede ser extremadura. Los acentos de Sur America son varios tambien, yo distingo muy bien el argentino, el mejicano, el colombiano y el ecuatoriano, los demás son similares. La mayor diferencia entre el castellano de España y el español americano es el distinto uso de ciertos vocablos, que a veces nos suenan a chino, pero en general se mantiene una vonversación perfectamente. Y dudo que se doblen las películas a no ser que se trate de un lenguaje de la calle o una jerga específica de un grupo de gente, que ni los oriundos del país lo entienden.

Para nosotros lo difícil sería distinguir a un escocés de uno de Nueva York, por ejemplo

[ROBINDESBOIS]

Bueno creo que no tan difícil, porque son dos acentos muy diferenciados, si me dices uno de New York y otro de New Jersey. Pero el escocés es inconfundible, y el Americano tambien.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by ROBINDESBOIS

Bueno creo que no tan difícil, porque son dos acentos muy diferenciados, si me dices uno de New York y otro de New Jersey. Pero el escocés es inconfundible, y el Americano tambien.

Bueno, estaba poniendo ejemplos, los primeros que me han salido.

[brute]

Originally Posted by satchrocks

I've often wondered how "Spain" Spanish (as I like to call it) is perceived by Latin Americans. It seems that, similar to "English" English and "American" English, a different accent has developed in addition to different phrases (the oft-cited dropping of "vosotros" being a noticable difference between the European and Latin American languages, although there are definitely other things that are probably more noticable).

Since these languages have developed allopatrically (in separate geographic areas), what is the Latin American perception of European Spanish?

Por ejemplo:
In the United States, an "English" accent is oftentimes associated with being proper (or, in some cases, even intelligent).

Very often the villains in American films are portayed by oily characters who speak with "Queen's English" accents.

[brute]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Mis orejas no discernen la differencia entre los dialectos. Todos los hispanohablantes suenan muy parecidos/iguales. Espero comprender la palabra hablada (spoken word) muy pronto

En Inglaterra pensamos que las personas qui hablan castellano tienen un defecto del habla. En inglés dice "a lisp."

Cinco Zapatos = thinko thapatos

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by brute

En Inglaterra pensamos que las personas qui hablan castellano tienen un defecto del habla. En inglés dice "a lisp."

Cinco Zapatos = thinko thapatos

Nadie dice "cinco zapatos" a no ser que le falte un pie

[brute]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Nadie dice "cinco zapatos" a no ser que le falte un pie

¿Piensas que yo soy INSECTO?

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by brute

¿Piensas que yo soy INSECTO?

Of course, I don't!

Why when one says "cinco zapatos" it sounds as if there were a fault of speaking? I don't understand.

[brute]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Of course, I don't!

Why when one says "cinco zapatos" it sounds as if there were a fault of speaking? I don't understand.

Es porque hay ingleses qui no pueden prononcer el son "S". Dicen "Th" en lugar de "S". We say they are speaking with a Lisp.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by brute

Es porque hay ingleses qui no pueden prononcer el son "S". Dicen "Th" en lugar de "S". We say they are speaking with a Lisp.

But I never pronounce "cinco" as /sinko/ (more or less), but /zinko/. It's the same sound than th in "think".