Pasar por el aro

[JPablo]

En el artículo enmendado del DRAE nos dan:
entrar, o pasar, alguien por el ~. 1. locs. verbs. coloqs. Hacer, vencido por fuerza o maña de otro, lo que no quería.

Oxford dice:
pasar or entrar por el aro (en el circo) to jump through
the hoop; (someterse) to toe the line

Por cierto, cuando JC cruzó el Rubicón dijo aquello de "Alea jacta est"... "la suerte está echada"

(Ahí es donde Astérix te echa una mano...)

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by JPablo

Por cierto, cuando JC cruzó el Rubicón dijo aquello de "Alea jacta est"... "la suerte está echada"

Actually, it is not at all certain. According to Plutarch what he said was ανερρίφθω κύβος, let the die be cast. For some mysterious reason, everybody assumes that JC always spoke Latin.

[sosia]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Actually, it is not at all certain. According to Plutarch what he said was ανερρίφθω κύβος, let the die be cast. For some mysterious reason, everybody assumes that JC always spoke Latin.

Are you casting corpses...? I always thought they were dices

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by sosia

Are you casting corpses...? I always thought they were dices

Oh dear, Oh dear. die Noun. A small cube (κύβος), having its faces marked with spots, numbering from one to six, used in games of chance by being thrown. plural dice: a game played with these.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Oh dear, Oh dear. die Noun. A small cube polyhedron (κύβος), having its faces marked with spots, numbering from one to six, used in games of chance by being thrown. plural dice: a game played with these.

My D20 isn't a cube, and has its faces marked with digits reading 1 to 20.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by pjt33

My D20 isn't a cube, and has its faces marked with digits reading 1 to 20.

So it is just a D20 then, which according to the OED is not a die, even if you do throw it.

[sosia]

ops, i thought dice was singular and plural dices
Sorry
He aprendido algo nuevo
Ohhh, those D20 dice of Dungeons and dragons......

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by sosia

Ohhh, those D20 dice of Dungeons and dragons......

Los romanos ya tenían dados tipo D20, por lo menos en el siglo II d.C.

[sosia]

Si, pero yo no soy tan viejo....
quizás Perikles se acuerde ...

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by pjt33

Los romanos ya tenían dados tipo D20, por lo menos en el siglo II d.C.

Ah well, the OED was clearly written before that.

Originally Posted by sosia

quizás Perikles se acuerde ...

Oi!! If I were that old, I wouldn't be able to remember anything anyway.

Si estuviera fuera tan viejo, no podría acordarme de nada.

[sosia]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Oi!! If I were that old, I wouldn't be able to remember anything anyway.

Si estuviera fuera tan viejo, no podría acordarme de nada.

Si fuera/fuese tan viejo, no podría acordarme de nada.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by sosia

Si fuera/fuese tan viejo, no podría acordarme de nada.

I got something right. Thanks.

[JPablo]

Well, thank you for the data on JC speaking habits... (Hey, we may be older than we thought...)

This all 'conversation' reminds me of Shakespeare and other things... (As in Have you lived before this life?...)

To die, perhaps to sleep; to sleep, perchance to dream.

And Calderón: La vida es sueño...

At any rate... thank you for refreshing memories...

Random House gives too,

5. the die is cast, the irrevocable decision has been made; fate has taken charge: The die is cast--I can't turn back.

And
to put somebody through the hoops will be in Spanish like hacérselas pasar negras a alguien (as per Oxford and Cambridge Klett) (A slightly different connotation than "hacer pasar por el aro")

To jump through the hoop seems to me more like the literal "pasar por el aro", like in a circus, not so much in the figurative sense of the Spanish... which I think it is best rendered with "toe the line"... (y sin chistar...)