Girl Murder on Irak

[CrOtALiTo]

Hi, Friends.


Last night, I was surfing on the internet, and, I found a video, about a girl murder on irak, is some horrible, 'cause I don't know the people are evil, specially in that contries, the people killed to the girl because fall in love of a kudish boy, but her family weren't all right with that relation, later her family in front of 2.000 People, they stared to stone her, until of the dead, the video is some horrible, I want understand it. Why the people do it things so?, here on the post, I put the links of the videos made for a person from his cell phone on the moment of the murder.

Links.

http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers....htm#TheVideos


http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=Apedreada+hasta+la+muerte&hl=es&site search=#


I hope you all are well.

I await your corrections.

[María José]

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

Hi, Friends.


Last night, I was surfing the internet, and, I found a video, about the murder of a girl in Irak,it is quite horrible, 'cause I didn't know people could be so evil, specially in those countries, the people killed the girl because she fell in love with a kudish boy, but her family didn't agree/were not happy with that relationship, later her family in front of 2.000 people stared to stone her, until she died, the video is horrible, I want to understand it. Why do people do such things ?, here in the post, I have put (included) the links of the videos made by a person from his cell phone at the moment of the murder.

Links.

http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers....htm#TheVideos


http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=Apedreada+hasta+la+muerte&hl=es&site search=#


I hope you all are well.

I await your corrections.

I hope my corrections are ok, sometimes I wasn't sure of your meaning.

[Rusty]

Here are some more corrections, in addition to those already given:

Hi Friends,


Last night, I was surfing the Internet and I found a video about a girl murdered in Iraq. It was quite horrible, 'cause I didn't know people could be so evil, especially in those countries. The people killed the girl because she fell in love with a Muslim (the girl was kurdish) boy, but her family wasn't all right with that relationship. Later, in front of 2,000 people, (men from) her family (and other men, possibly friends of the family,) started to stoned her to death. What happened in the video was horrible. I can't understand it. Why do people do such things? Here in the post I (have) included the links to the videos made by a person from his cell phone at the moment of the murder.

[Alfonso]

I'm sorry I don't want to watch that video. Between Il divo video and this one, I'd rather much better the first one. I know there is evil in people's heart, don't need another confirmation. What are you surprised about? Sure, this wasn't the only violent death in Iraq that day.

[Elaina]

CrOtALiTo.....

Como vez, es mejor hacer correcciones que tratar de comprender lo que pasó en el video.

Lo que pasó en el video es horrible! Le doy gracias a Dios que vivo donde vivo y que no me tengo que preocupar por esas cosas. No hay país perfecto ni gobierno perfecto pero si tendría que escoger, me quedo donde estoy.

Nadie puede cambiar al mundo y el buscar la respuesta al ¿porqué? solo te llevará al mundo de otros ¿porqués? Uno solo puede cambiar a uno mismo. Vive tu vida bien. Trata a las personas como a tí te gustaría que te trataran y ofrecele una sonrisa a las personas que te encuentras en la calle. Si todos lo hicieramos, qué mundo tan diferente sería!


Elaina

[Jane]

Originally Posted by Elaina

CrOtALiTo.....

Nadie puede cambiar al mundo y el buscar la respuesta al ¿porqué? solo te llevará al mundo de otros ¿porqués? Uno solo puede cambiar a uno mismo. Vive tu vida bien. Trata a las personas como a tí te gustaría que te trataran y ofrecele una sonrisa a las personas que te encuentras en la calle. Si todos lo hicieramos, qué mundo tan diferente sería!


Elaina

Well said, Elaina.

Insisto que la vida es bella, pero muy bella, pase lo que pase. Y no hay que entender todo lo que pase en nuestro alrededores, pero sí que podemos disfrutar de las cosas bueno que nos pasa y aprender de otros que quizá no sean tan buenos, así, mejoramos como personas y tendríamos un mundo aún mejor...

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by Jane

Well said, Elaina.

Insisto (en) que la vida es bella, pero muy bella, pase lo que pase. Y no hay que entender todo lo que pase a nuestro alrededores, pero sí que podemos disfrutar de las cosas buenas que nos pasan y aprender de otras que quizá no sean tan buenas, así, mejoraremos como personas y tendremos un mundo aun mejor...

Hey, Jane, your Spanish is great. Good for the subjunctive!
By the way, I think it's OK if you like to be pleasured by life. But even better if you try to change things.

[Jane]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Hey, Jane, your Spanish is great. Good for the subjunctive!
By the way, I think it's OK if you like to be pleasured by life. But even better if you try to change things.

Who would have guessed...?
I agree with what you say about change, I also believe that change should start from within.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
...

--Reinhold Niebuhr

[Alfonso]

Oh, no, Jane, we're not talking about the same things. I didn't say anything about God nor about to begin changing my inside, which doesn't make any sense to me.
I said to change things. Real things.
And I really don't mind what a theologian can say about this. We have different interests.
BTW, your intentions are great, but I don't think praying will be enough.

[Jane]

Alfonso, we´re all entitiled to our opinions and it doesn´t necessarily have to make sense to you...
I was only sharing. You may or may not agree with it.

I didn´t say anything about you changing your inside, I think you´re great the way you are, at least for now...

[Alfonso]

Mmmmm... thanks for allowing me to disagree. So, let's keep on disagreeing: What's the meaning of within? I don't know if I understood wrongly or if you are now changing your mind.

[Jane]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Mmmmm... thanks for allowing me to disagree. So, let's keep on disagreeing: What's the meaning of within? I don't know if I understood wrongly or if you are now changing your mind.

Within means inside, which is to say that you understood correctly, but I used the word in a general way, not tailor-made for Alfonso, which means that you applied it(to your charming self) wrongly. And, I´m not changing my mind, sweetheart.

[Alfonso]

Thanks a lot, sweetheart, for your beautiful explanation (next time in your sweet Spanish, pls, pls, pls). So, we're coming back to grammar, whose mere existence could point at the existence of, at least, one god (although I'd rather a pagan Olympe, with its interesting stories about multiple and diverse gods, semigods, heroes and heroines...)... if, on the other hand, evil on earth (have a look on TV) didn't exist.

Did I apply your phrase:

I also believe that change should start from within

to the wrong person, me?
Mmm, how could I know I was excluded from it? As you said, you used the word in a general way. But I'm an individual part of that general way! And now I'm gonna say my piece of advice: Change should start from outward.

[Jane]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Thanks a lot, sweetheart, for your beautiful explanation (next time in your sweet Spanish, pls, pls, pls).
...
And now I'm gonna say my piece of advice: Change should start from outward.

Advice noted and under consideration... I might need more explanation on why you think so, though. You know, I get a tad thick this time of the day..
Did you say my Spanish is sweet?
¡Que bueno eres!

[poli]

No voy a meterme in discursos teológicos pero sé que las cosas cambian.
En la primera parte del ciglo 20 en algunos partes de los Estados Unidos si un hombre negro caminaba con una mujer blanca, podría ser su suicidio. El pueblo lo ahorcaría en una plaza pública. Frecuentamente fue acompañado con una gran fiesta. Matrimonio entre dos razas distintas era prohibita hasta los años 60 en estado de California.

Las cosas cambiaron por lo mejor aquí. No soy optimista, pero si cambiaron aqui existe la posibilidad que puedan cambiar alla también.

[Elaina]

Es cierto Poli, las cosas pueden cambiar PERO tiene que haber un deseo. Desafortunadamente a veces tiene que haber sangre para que haya cambios. Nosotros los humanos somos cabeza dura.

Es muy triste que en estos dias aún haya personas cerradas de cabeza... no entiendo cual es el beneficio.

Elaina

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by Elaina

Es cierto Poli, las cosas pueden cambiar PERO tiene que haber un deseo. Desafortunadamente a veces tiene que haber sangre para que haya cambios. Nosotros los humanos somos cabeza dura.

Es muy triste que en estos dias aún haya personas cerradas de cabeza... no entiendo cual es el beneficio.

Elaina

Elaina, what do you mean by PERO? I said I'm not interested in what a theologian can say. But I am about language.

As PERO is a contrastive conjunction, you are really meaning that Poli said the opposite as your statement. Or, at least, that he said something which is an obstacle to what you are now stating. What I cannot understand is the PERO character of your post.

On the other hand, I made a quick research on the net to know what you call the kind of conjunctions I call adversativas. I found contrastive conjunctions. Could you say something like an adversative conjunction (but, however, nevertheless...).

Elaina, you say: tenemos la cabeza dura; no entiendo cuál...

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Elaina, what do you mean by PERO? I said I'm not interested in what a theologian can say. But I am about language.

As PERO is a contrastive conjunction, do you really mean that Poli said the opposite of what you say. Or, at least, that he said something which is an obstacle to what you are now stating. What I cannot understand is the PERO character of your post.

On the other hand, I made a quick search on the net to find out what English speakers call adversativas. I found contrastive conjunctions. Could you say something like an adversative conjunction (but, however, nevertheless...).?

Elaina, you say: tenemos la cabeza dura; no entiendo cuál...

Me suena que Elaina estaba de acuerdo conmigo, pero con condiciones.
Según Elaina, cambio no ocurre sin el deseo de cambiar. En generál creo
que ella tiene razón.
No creo que adversative conjuction no es usa aquí. Si adversative es una palabra legítima en inglés, casi no se usa.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Me suena /parece que Elaina estaba de acuerdo conmigo, pero con condiciones. Según Elaina, el cambio no ocurre sin el deseo de cambiar. En general creo que (ella) tiene razón.
No creo que adversative conjuction se use aquí. Si adversative es una palabra legítima correcta en inglés, casi no se usa.

Thanks a lot for your corrections, Poli!
You use me suena in a very strange way, but not uncorrect. It's clearly understood what you mean, but much better parece.

The point to me is if you both agree, why she used pero?

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Thanks a lot for your corrections, Poli!
You use me suena in a very strange way, but not uncorrect. It's clearly understood what you mean, but much better parece.

The point to me is if you both agree, why she used pero?

Me parece que ella usa pero porque está de acuerdo, pero
con tal de que existe el deseo de cambiar.

Gracias por lo que dice de me suena y me parece. No estoy completamente seguo como se usa me suena cuando significa
me parece.