Italian vs. Spanish

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by irmamar

No es cierto que en Cataluña se enseñe que el castellano es un dialecto del árabe. Otra cosa es que no quieran saber nada del castellano, que es cierto (lo digo por experiencia). Pero nunca jamás he oído que digan que el español viene del árabe. Será que no hay pueblos aquí que empiezan por "Al" y por "Ben" o "Bel".

Really my brother told me that the Spanish coming from Russian, the language was mix up with the Russian language, but I have another opinion about that, the Spanish language coming from Latin, really the Latin were got the English and the Spanish after I read it a magazine time before.

I don't know if it really it true, but well I guess that since the start of the story the language after the holy was created for the Egyptians.

Please, I'd like to know the commentary about that from Irmamar.
And Rusty too.

[irmamar]

This is the first time I've heard that Spanish comes from Russian.

As far as I know, Spanish comes from, more or less:

Latin: 60%
Arab: 15%
Greek: 10%
Germanic: 10%
Others: 5%

[explorator]

There is a thesis saying the ancient Iberians had come from the actual Georgia ,(formerly a Soviet Union republic) where is a place also called Iberia. That thesis implies the pre-roman iberian languages are related with the actual georgian or some close languages, but today the only language not coming from the Latin in the whole Iberic peninsulae is the Basque. The thesis sill needs further investigation.

Originally Posted by irmamar

No es cierto que en Cataluña se enseñe que el castellano es un dialecto del árabe. Otra cosa es que no quieran saber nada del castellano, que es cierto (lo digo por experiencia). Pero nunca jamás he oído que digan que el español viene del árabe. Será que no hay pueblos aquí que empiezan por "Al" y por "Ben" o "Bel".

Casi siempre lo hacen veladamente y con indirectas, pero personalmente los he oido llamar a los castellanoparlantes directamente "moros".

[poli]

Ahora estoy aprendiendo. Nunca sabía que había tanta antipatía entre
Castilla y Cataluña, pero hace sentido. Donde hay idiomas distintos
hay recelo.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by irmamar

This is the first time I've heard that Spanish comes from Russian.

As far as I know, Spanish comes from, more or less:

Latin: 60%
Arab: 15%
Greek: 10%
Germanic: 10%
Others: 5%

After you the Spanish coming from a great mix up of severals languages.

I don't think so.
I needed should to have a relation more with the Latin.
Please I'd like a investigation about that, already that now I'm more snuff that before. (Confuse)

In some place should to has an answer to the precedence of the language, the data should more exactly or at least it should a data or year where was created the language.

Sincerely yours.

[explorator]

La gran mayoría de los idiomas europeos con excepción del Magiar (Hungaro), el Finlandes y el Vasco proceden del Indoeuropeo, la lengua que se supone hablaban los ários. Esta lengua ha sido "recompuesta" a partir de las lenguas a las que dio lugar como el Latín, el Griego, el Germano o el Celta, de las que proceden los idiomas actuales. Para ello, los lingüístas siguieron el hilo de numerosas palabras que en dichos idiomas tenían raíces comunes, llegando a la conclusión de que tenían que proceder de un tronco común. Además, se dieron cuenta de que en todas esas lenguas eran comunes las raíces correspondientes a ciertos animales y plantas, pero no a otros, buscaron dónde vivían juntos esos animales y esas plantas y descrubrieron que se trata de las llanuras de Asia central, en la actual Rusia. Tal vez sea esa la razón por la que tu hermano te dijo que el Español procedía de Rusia.

[CrOtALiTo]

Interesting your contribution.
Where you got that information?

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by explorator

Casi siempre lo hacen veladamente y con indirectas, pero personalmente los he oido llamar a los castellanoparlantes directamente "moros".

No, no nos llaman moros; nos llaman charnegos.

[explorator]

Originally Posted by irmamar

No, no nos llaman moros; nos llaman charnegos.

Así es. Pero ya te digo, lo he oído personalmente y en tono burlón. No sé si la persona a quién oí forma parte de una minoría extremista o de una corriente cada vez más mayoritaria. Seguro que en Cataluña hay también gente a la que no le gusta el movimiento independentista. En todo caso, el autor del mensaje a quien contesté tenía, en mi opinión, la intención de sujerir la inferioridad del Castellano o Español frente al Catalán debido a la abundancia de palabras árabes en el mismo. Por eso mi respuesta, fue tal vez, vehemente en exceso. Además creo que seguir por este camino no encaja con la finalidad del foro. Un saludo.

[irmamar]

Sí, hay de todo. Pero bueno..., la cosa no está muy clara. Aleccionan a los niños de pequeñitos y la mayoría de ellos no hablan español. En los colegios hacen dos horas por semana de castellano, el resto de asignaturas en catalán (todas), y muchos padres evitan que estén en contacto con el castellano. La bandera española se relaciona con ser facha, sólo existe la bandera catalana. En fin, lo que podría llegar a contar...

[OblivionLord]

Originally Posted by explorator

The of arab influence in Spanish language is in vocabulary and is most often found in agricultural terms,( a topic about they were true masters) and places. The massive presence of such terms is even bigger in Valencia language, in which was written the literary masterpiece Tirant Lo Blanc. The presence of arabic terms in any language does not get it "dirty". This "dirty" term is taught in Catalonian schools about Castillian and it is simply false. Educators who suggest that the Spanish language is an arab dialect are separatist propogandists. I hope get their independence soon and leave us in peace!
PS:
The true arabic dominance in the Iberian Peninsulae lasted from 711 to the 1212. From that date on, the Islam Kindoms were submised to Chistian ones.

That is a matter of opinion. I don't consider Farci, Maltese, Arabic or any such Mid eastern form of language as romantic. I find them to sound very displeasing to the ear. That's again just my personal opinion.

Now granted, Spanish is derived from Latin which in itself has a nice sound, but what takes the beauty away from the language is simply the 8% Arabic influence that you hear in the language such as: Azul, Aceite, Noria, Afanar, Ajedrez, Bano, Alcoba, Arroz, Barrio, Naranja, Hasta, Fulano. Those are just to name a few. This is why I accounted it as Dirty. I could have said 'tainted' if i wanted, but I didn't want to be that cruel hehe.

[irmamar]

[Villa]

L'italiano e lo spagnolo sono fratelli.
El italiano y el español son hermanos.
Both languages come from Latin.

I taught high school Spanish for years and now I've been teaching Italian for the last 4 years. 90% of my students are Spanish speakers and they learn Italian subito/rapido/rápido. One of the students is a lady from El Salvador.(Most of students are from Mexico,
El Salvador, Ecuador, Peru, Costa Rica etc. etc.) She knew no Italian in Sept. Now in March she has memorized 10 Italian songs and sings them in front of the class. She can converse in Italian fluently. One lady from Slovakia who also speaks Spanish knew almost no Italian in Sept. Now in March she can carry on a full conversation in Italian and understands 95+% of anything I say to her in Italian. With just a few adjustments my Spanish speakers read Italian from the beginning while the English speakers struggle. Another student is from Italy and only comes to class because his wife is learning Italian. This native Italian speaker speaks fluent Spanish and said Spanish was easy for him to learn. The Spanish speakers listen to the ltalian language CDs and then sound like Italian speakers. È incredibile!

I lived in Italy for 2 years and learned to speak Italian.(Did not know how to speak Spanish antes.) Then when back in the U.S. I learned Spanish. Took 18 classes of Spanish, got my master's degree in Spanish and taught high school Spanish for years. Went to school in Mexico along the way.(Married a Spanish speaker and we only speak Spanish to each other.) Did not speak Italian for years. Then 4 years ago I started studying Italian again and then started teaching Italian to first grade Spanish speakers. They learned Italian rapido. Last 3 years have been teaching adult Spanish speakers Italian which I love to do perche è molto facile/porque es muy fàcil.

In 2007 I went to school in Italy on a scholarship from the Italian government to learn to teach and speak Italian meglio/mejor. Era facile perche parlo lo spagnolo. Era fácil porque hablo español.

[Villa]

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[CrOtALiTo]

I like more the French than the Italian language, because it's more used the French around of the world that the other ones, I don't know, I like to learn the French as second language in besides of the I'm learning nowadays that is the English.

[Villa]

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

I like more the French than the Italian language, because it's more used the French around of the world that the other ones, I don't know, I like to learn the French as second language in besides of the I'm learning nowadays that is the English.

Una volta/Una vez I was in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, México and I met this French
guy who married a Mexican lady. He spoke just about perfect Spanish. I asked him how he
had learned Spanish and he said it was easy for him to learn Spanish because he spoke French.

Now, just think. Italian is actually closer to French than Spanish is so if you speak French you
can learn Italian even easier than learning Spanish. I lived in Italy for 2 years and learned Italian.
Then I learned Spanish and along the way have been to France 4 times and have learned French
because it was easy for me after learning Italian and Spanish.

[irmamar]

It is said that French is lovers language, but I think I fell in love with my husband when he started talking to me in Italian. It sounds so sweet to my ears. He always tells me: "sogni d'oro, bella". It's so beautiful sentence to say "good night"!. I love Italian, too.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Villa

Una volta/Una vez I was in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, México and I met this French
guy who married a Mexican lady. He spoke just about perfect Spanish. I asked him how he
had learned Spanish and he said it was easy for him to learn Spanish because he spoke French.

Now, just think. Italian is actually closer to French than Spanish is so if you speak French you
can learn Italian even easier than learning Spanish. I lived in Italy for 2 years and learned Italian.
Then I learned Spanish and along the way have been to France 4 times and have learned French
because it was easy for me after learning Italian and Spanish.

Yes the French language is very pretty for me and well just you have good luck in life in Italian, I'd like that my second language was the French.

[OblivionLord]

Since you live in Mexico, did you know about the little town called Nueva Italia?

Here is a street sign there...
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9763/p10002077ig.jpg

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by OblivionLord

Since you live in Mexico, did you know about the little town called Nueva Italia?

Here is a street sign there...
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9763/p10002077ig.jpg

Not sincerely I never heard anything about nueva Italia here in Mexico.
But well you telling me that is it.