Sometimes I feel so alone

[ookami]

Todo lo necesario para qué, ¿para vivir lo "menos mal posible"?
Es que la fórmula dinero + amigos + familia + etc no es siempre "todo lo necesario para vivir", no para todos. ¿Cuánta gente ha renunciado a todo ello para buscar algo que llene su vacío? Qué puedo decir... aveces el arrastrarse por la miseria nos ayuda más que estar rodeados de amigos bebiendo un buen vino en copa de oro.
En los tiempos en que he limado las cadenas que me unen a la fórmula susodicha, pasé las noches más serenas de mi vida.
Pero puede que tengas razón Crotalito, puede que casi todos -incluso los pobres, tengan todo lo necesario con ellos y no puedan verlo.

[irmamar]

I have never met a teenager who is not suffering.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I have never met a teenager who is not suffering.

Adolescent...

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I have never met a teenager who is was not suffering.

Originally Posted by chileno

Adolescent...

teenager seems OK to me (but incorrect sequence of tenses).

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

teenager seems OK to me (but incorrect sequence of tenses).

What's the etymology of adolescent?

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

I'm not so sure about the etymology, but I had a teacher who used to say that "adolescente" doesn't come from "adolecer" (to suffer, to be ill, to be imperfect), but rather from some word meaning "crecer" (go grow up).

Still, I'm with Irma here, there is no teenager who doesn't feel sad or lonely some time.

[ookami]

So.. are you saying that there are adults who never suffer?
I don't get why you're using "teenagers" instead of "humans"
Maybe a teenager can achive "nirvana"(or the equivalents) when he grows up, or... the suffering of that teenager can be increased by the pass of the years: la angustia que luego de un día de esperanza, vuelve a brotar con mayor fiereza de las heridas del alma. Y pasan los días y solo se es optimista para que la caía sea más fuerte. Como dijo un alemán adicto a la morfina: la esperanza prolonga el sufrimiento"
So generally an adult suffering is deeper, but he got quite use to it.

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

No, Ookami. Nadie ha dicho eso. Lo que se dijo es que los adolescentes siempre (o casi siempre) tienden a sentirse tristes por la soledad derivada de que perciben que no se les comprende.
Los adultos que sufren lo manifiestan de otras maneras, y en general, por razones específicas, distintas de lo que les pasa a los adolescentes.

[ookami]

Ah, ahora lo entendí mejor. Mejor dicho, ahora se expresó más atinadamente lo que se quiso decir. Gracias Angélica.

En cuanto a lo de la incomprensión, debo ser un adolescente. He comprobado que en el único lugar donde puedo contar con humanos que entiendan mínimamente a lo que me suelo referir la mayoría del tiempo, es en un jardín de infantes. A veces, en los geriatricos. Pero pocas veces.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by ookami

Todo lo necesario para qué, ¿para vivir lo "menos mal posible"?
Es que la fórmula dinero + amigos + familia + etc no es siempre "todo lo necesario para vivir", no para todos. ¿Cuánta gente ha renunciado a todo ello para buscar algo que llene su vacío? Qué puedo decir... aveces el arrastrarse por la miseria nos ayuda más que estar rodeados de amigos bebiendo un buen vino en copa de oro.
En los tiempos en que he limado las cadenas que me unen a la fórmula susodicha, pasé las noches más serenas de mi vida.
Pero puede que tengas razón Crotalito, puede que casi todos -incluso los pobres, tengan todo lo necesario con ellos y no puedan verlo.

Please, you put attention in that I will say it now.

All the teenagers always will surfer themselves, because they think that the life is so easy and really it's not easy, the teenager don't think more than their own diversion and well just they don't think that we the parents have the sufficient troubles in the life and that their troubles aren't nor the more minimum important sometimes, they give to a little trouble the more importance when their troubles are the easier in resolve sometimes.

Instead of the parents are the really troubles, the money, the job, the children, the wife, the pays, and when you life in a world full of competitive.

I'm not saying that their troubles aren't important, in the contrary, their troubles are our troubles, the teenager always will be the troubles as the end of the life and well just it's tend to be understanding sometimes.

The really life is outside in the street in the daily life and it isn't in the school, there're teenager that go to the deep of the their troubles when they have the solution, they have only a work and that work is study and to be someone in a future.

In my own and humble opinion I see the troubles of a young of that way, because really the adults are the people with more troubles in the world and they have that enjoy their youthfulness the best possible.

Meanwhile I wondering don't speak more about the thread, I believe that Jessica has the solution in her hands, she ought study solely and she ought understand to her parents, because never the parents wants the worst for their children, I don't it.

She should be concentrate in the future and her studies and her life so beautiful that result the life of a teenager.

I hope my commentary doesn't offend to someone in the forums.

Sincerely yours.

[irmamar]

Más o menos los "teens" coinciden con los años de la adolescencia (teniendo en cuenta la diferente forma de desarrollarse cada persona).

Y claro está que niños, adolescentes y adultos sufren. Pero como el hilo era de Jessica y es adolescente, pues a eso me refería. Un adolescente mira el mundo de otra forma, es una etapa muy intensa, una época de soledad y angustia existencial que no deja de ser un proceso de maduración, un momento de la vida en que uno debe encontrarse consigo mismo y en el que los padres no dejan de poner trabas (por lo general). Una etapa compleja la adolescencia, muy compleja. ¿O no os acordáis ya?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

What's the etymology of adolescent?

from Old French adolescent, from the present participle of Latin adolescere, from ad- + alescere to grow up

[irmamar]

Adolecer.

(Del ant. dolecer).
1. tr. ant. Causar dolencia o enfermedad.
2. intr. Caer enfermo o padecer alguna enfermedad habitual.
3. intr. Tener o padecer algún defecto. Adolecer DE claustrofobia.
4. prnl. compadecerse (‖ sentir lástima).

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Adolecer.

which is derived from Latin dolere to suffer, feel pain.

Since adolescente is derived from alescere, literally to be nourished, which is inceptive of alere = to nourish (cf. alimento), there is no etymological connection between adolescente and adolecer.

This indeed a surprise, because adolescence is usually associated with pain.

[irmamar]

That's not so clear. There are opinions that suggest that "adolecer" comes from adolescere: ad (approximation), alo (nourish) and the process suffix sc. In Latin it also means "be lacking of", as in Spanish (adolecer= carecer).

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

That's not so clear. There are opinions that suggest that "adolecer" comes from adolescere: ad (approximation), alo (nourish) and the process suffix sc. In Latin it also means "be lacking of", as in Spanish (adolecer= carecer).

... possibly.

[irmamar]

Etymology is not a... "ciencia exacta".

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Etymology is not a... "ciencia exacta".

An exact science? No - that means you can argue about it for ever, and the best thing is that it doesn't actually matter at all. You can't get more academic than that.

[chileno]

Ok. Thank you for the input on adolescent.

[ookami]

I can argue forever about "2+2=4" too. All what you can express with the mind (words, formulas, etc), is something that can be argue forever. Because at the end, even the most a priori supposition(supuesto) is hanged on the air. Or not?