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Poner los puntos sobre las íes.
Puntualizar, precisar, aclarar, poner los puntos sobre las íes.
How can I say these expressions in English? I know to clarify for aclarar. But, what about the rest of them?
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I´m not sure about the others but for poner los puntos sobre las íes,I think the expression is to dot your ies and cross your ts.
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Alfonso, here's a few options. Let me know if what you meant was something different.
puntualizar (recordar) Quisiera puntualizar que yo no tengo nada que ver con el asunto. I'd like to remind everyone that I don't have anything to do with this situation. Keep in mind that I don't have anything to do with this situation. puntualizar (precisar) I'd like to specify that I don't have anything to do with this deal. (especificar) I'd like to point out that I don't have anything to do with this deal. (señalar) I'd like to state that I don't have anything to do with this deal. (declarar) I'd like to go on the record as saying that I don't have anything to do with this deal. precisar (señalar) Debo precisar que la cantidad desaparecida no llega a los cien mil euros. I must point out that the amount that has disappeared is less than 100,000 Euros. I must specify that the amount that has disappeared is less than 100,000 Euros. As far as the expression "poner los puntos sobre las íes", I honestly haven't heard it before. Literally it would be "to do your Is", but I suspect that it really means something like: to take care of business to do the job right to take care of all the details to be careful to do everything right or something to that effect. Can you confirm that?
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puntualizar also translates as emphasize. Precisar tambien
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The phrase is "to dot your i's and cross your t's." (Apostrophes are used to write the plural form of a letter.)
For puntualizar, I would say 'to make clear,' 'to state,' or 'to point out.' For aclarar, I would use 'to clarify' in addition to 'to make clear.' For precisar, I would use 'to determine exactly/precisely' or 'to make absolutely certain/sure.' |
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good info. Thanks
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Thanks everybody for your answers!
Y un par de puntualizaciones para David: I don't use puntualizar with the nuance of recordar (neither to remember nor to remind). I've checked it in DRAE and DPD and it doesn't appear. About poner los puntos sobre las íes: Quote:
So, I can neither be sure if it fits to dot the I's and to cross the T's, as I don't know the meaning of this English expression.
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The "dot the i's and cross the t's" phrase means to be careful to do everything right (to be meticulous). So, it doesn't fit your phrase, although it appeared to at first glance.
The meaning you give to poner los puntos sobre las íes is something akin to 'a polished speaker' in English. This means the conversationalist is flawless, skillful, and excellent. It implies the use of clear (reasonable - making good sense), well-chosen words (concise - peppered with multi-syllabic words), and appropriate grammar. However, it doesn't imply vigorous speech. We usually say 'powerful' to describe vigorous, or animated speech. So, I think a good translation of poner los puntos sobre las íes is 'a polished and powerful speaker.' There are other ways (synonyms) to say the same thing. |
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Thanks for the corrections Alfonso.
Returning to los puntos sobre las íes... I agree with Rusty's analysis, based on Alsonso's definition of the phrase. I also found a blog titled Los Puntos Sobre Las Íes. In this context, would a good translation be "Straight Talk" or "Telling it Like it Is"? What do you think?
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I think a good translation would be straight talk or telling it like it is as David said.
Let's see these examples: Estaba ya más que harto de mi jefe... y cuando me dijo que no podía ni abrir la ventana... fue la gota que colmó el vaso... Me levanté y le dije cuatro cositas. Le puse los puntos sobre las íes, todo muy clarito. No creo que vuelva a decirme otra tontería parecida. No sé qué más quiere esa chica. Se lo he dicho cien veces. Me va a obligar a tener que ponerle los puntos sobre las íes. (Maybe this one a little forced because of the context, but valid as well). Ese vecino es el que salva las reuniones. Cada vez que se levanta pone los puntos sobre las íes. I hope this will be clearer than my previous attempt of definition in English.
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Thanks Alfonso, those examples give me an even better understanding of the phrase.
I'll try my hand at translating parts of these. Of course there are many possible translations, and I'd love to see what others come up with too. Estaba ya más que harto de mi jefe... y cuando me dijo que no podía ni abrir la ventana... fue la gota que colmó el vaso... Me levanté y le dije cuatro cositas. Le puse los puntos sobre las íes, todo muy clarito. I was already fed up with my boss, so when he came in and said I couldn't even have the window open, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I got up and I told him a thing or two. I really let him have it until he backed down. I don't think he'll be talking like that to me again. Ese vecino es el que salva las reuniones. Cada vez que se levanta pone los puntos sobre las íes. This guy, my neighbor, always comes through in the meetings. Every time he gets up, he makes them listen to reason. I'll leave the middle one for someone else. ![]()
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Great translations, David!
I've got only a doubt with this: Quote:
It's a cultural knowledge the fact that, in Spain, a phrase like that, with un vecino que pone los puntos sobre las íes en todas las reuniones, is almost always refereed to this kind of meeting: reunión de vecinos. And I'm not sure what to call this in English, even because a I don't know if you have the habit of having this kind of meetings, although I think they are useful despite of the fact they are boring.
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En Inglés, por lo menos en Los Estados Unidos, una cosa parecida a la reunion de vecinos es una tenents association meeting. Es una reunion de inquilinos de un edificio de apartamentos. Tambien hay apartamentos cooporativos en que todos que viven en el edificio son dueños parciales. Sus reuniones se llaman co-op board meetings. Un co-op board
meeting no incluye todos los dueños sino (is sino used correctly here? *) un grupo elegido representar todos los dueños. Poli Favor de corregirme. Gracias. PD *Estoy muy cómodo con el uso de la palabra pero, pero incómodo con sin y mas. ¿ Me puede dar un ejemplo del uso de sin y mas en un frase? Gracias Last edited by poli; April 02, 2008 at 10:01 AM. |
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Alfonso, poli's right about apartment tenant's meeting. There are also homeowners associations, where all the homeowners in a certain area are members and they have periodic meetings.
So to answer your question, my translation could be more explicit in saying that it's at a homeowner's meeting. One guy always comes through in the homeowner's meetings. Every time he gets up, he makes them listen to reason. Quote:
mas = but (Used in archaic or liturgical speech. Se encuentra mucho en la Biblia por ejemplo. Mas [w/o the accent mark] has the same meaning as pero) sino = but rather ejemplos: Quería comprar un agua de coco, pero no tenía dinero. Quería comprar un agua de coco, mas no tenía dinero. No quería comprar un agua de coco, sino un agua rusa. Quote:
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Thanks a lot for your answers, Poli and David.
I agree with all David said about usage of pero, mas and sino, especially with the fact that mas is archaic, really archaic. I don't recommend you to use it if you are not don Quijote or Hamlet (or you believe to be one of them). Some small corrections for you, Poli: Quote:
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The colacación errónea that I did with the word cómodo
would have alsobeen incorrect in English a few years ago. Being comfortable with a concept or a word or anything not material would not have made sense. Era una incorrect placement de una palabra. What can be used in place of comfortable is the more traditional happy or familiar.( Ejemplo: No estoy muy familiar con el uso de la palaba sino.) The language is morphing (a newer word for changing from metamorphasis) Poli |
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A few corrections for Poli: I like that word: morphing, although it makes me feel sleepy...
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No, that would be morphine.
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