Soportar

[DailyWord]

This is a discussion thread for the Daily Spanish Word for January 5, 2010

soportar (verb) — to put up with. Look up soportar in the dictionary

No soporto esa música tan fuerte.
I am fed up with that loud music.

[DBMark]

There's an interesting song by Joaquin Sabina called "no soporto el rap"

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by DailyWord

No soporto esa música tan fuerte.
I am fed up with that loud music.

To me, to say
I am fed up with ... does not mean quite the same as I cannot bear ... or I cannot tolerate ...

I am fed up with that loud music means it annoys you,whereas I cannot bear that loud music means you are going to do something about it like kill the neighbour. Which of these is nearer to no soporto (if you detect a difference?)

Originally Posted by DBMark

There's an interesting song by Joaquin Sabina called "no soporto el rap"

Interesting in that you have to watch almost 4 minutes of it until you hear the title.

[Fazor]

Originally Posted by Perikles

To me, to say
I am fed up with ... does not mean quite the same as I cannot bear ... or I cannot tolerate ...

I am fed up with that loud music means it annoys you,whereas I cannot bear that loud music means you are going to do something about it like kill the neighbour. Which of these is nearer to no soporto (if you detect a difference?)

Interesting. In my mind, I agree there's a difference between the two ("Fed up" verses "cannot bear/tolerate") but to me it would be that to be "fed up" means it's something that you usually don't mind, but there's been too much of it. "Cannot bear/tolerate", on the other hand, gives me the impression it's something you just don't like at all.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

To me, to say
I am fed up with ... does not mean quite the same as I cannot bear ... or I cannot tolerate ...

I am fed up with that loud music means it annoys you,whereas I cannot bear that loud music means you are going to do something about it like kill the neighbour. Which of these is nearer to no soporto (if you detect a difference?)

You are right. They are related abut they are not exactly the same.

"No soporto el rap" no es lo mismo que "estoy hasta la coronilla con el rap"

[Interprete]

A veces le digo a mi esposa, "Ya no te puedo soportar!"

[DBMark]

Originally Posted by chileno

You are right. They are related abut they are not exactly the same.

"No soporto el rap" no es lo mismo que "estoy hasta la coronilla con el rap"

Couldn't you translate "no soporto el rap" as "I can't stand rap" ? (ie you hate it, but you can't do anything about it in reality)

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Originally Posted by DBMark

Couldn't you translate "no soporto el rap" as "I can't stand rap" ? (ie you hate it, but you can't do anything about it in reality)

Correct.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by DBMark

Couldn't you translate "no soporto el rap" as "I can't stand rap" ? (ie you hate it, but you can't do anything about it in reality)

Can't stand - Don't bear - can't bear same difference?

[irmamar]

And what's the difference with "put up with"?

[pjt33]

Me parece que "I can't put up with" suele ir acompañado de "any longer / any more".

I can't stand X I can't bear X no soporto X
I'm fed up with X I can't put up with X any more estoy harto de X ya no soporto X

[irmamar]

Thanks.

[CrOtALiTo]

I can't stand your life Acela

[laepelba]

I'm re-reading some old discussions and have found this one interesting because the example and all comments after it are in the negative: "no soportar".

How is it used in a less negative sense? (It seems to me that there is no truly "positive" sense to this word.)

Would it be something like this?
Soporto la tardanza de mis estudiantes. El edificio es muy grande. Es imposible a caminar de un extremo a otro en siete minutos.
???

[pjt33]

Igual se use más aguantar cuando no va en negativo.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by pjt33

Igual se use más aguantar cuando no va en negativo.

Just to be clear, then - "soportar" is always used with "no" or some other negation?

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Just to be clear, then - "soportar" is always used with "no" or some other negation?

Not really. Think of it in English "bear", "stand".

I bear/stand the cold very well.

[laepelba]

So you could say "Soporto el frío muy bien." ???

[chileno]

Originally Posted by laepelba

So you could say "Soporto el frío muy bien." ???

Claro.

[bobjenkins]

No soporto el calor muy bien

De vez de cuando estoy al trabajo no soporto a la gente ahí