Ask a Question

(Create a thread)
Go Back   Spanish language learning forums > Spanish & English Languages > Vocabulary
Register Help/FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Shadow

 

Vocab questions, definitions, usage, etc


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1
Old November 24, 2012, 06:13 AM
ROBINDESBOIS's Avatar
ROBINDESBOIS ROBINDESBOIS is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,040
ROBINDESBOIS is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to ROBINDESBOIS
Shadow

The sun made my shadow showed.
Is this correct?
Reply With Quote
   
Get rid of these ads by registering for a free Tomísimo account.
  #2
Old November 24, 2012, 06:15 AM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
...show.
Reply With Quote
  #3
Old November 24, 2012, 07:02 AM
pjt33's Avatar
pjt33 pjt33 is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Valencia, España
Posts: 2,600
Native Language: Inglés (en-gb)
pjt33 is on a distinguished road
Chileno's correction gives a sentence which is grammatically correct, but it still feels semantically wrong: it implies that you always have a shadow, but it's sometimes invisible. I haven't been able to find a reformulation which I'm entirely happy with, but the best I've got is:

The sun made me cast a shadow.
Reply With Quote
  #4
Old November 24, 2012, 12:31 PM
ROBINDESBOIS's Avatar
ROBINDESBOIS ROBINDESBOIS is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,040
ROBINDESBOIS is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to ROBINDESBOIS
We could see our shadows in the sun.
Reply With Quote
  #5
Old November 24, 2012, 01:17 PM
pjt33's Avatar
pjt33 pjt33 is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Valencia, España
Posts: 2,600
Native Language: Inglés (en-gb)
pjt33 is on a distinguished road
Vale.
Reply With Quote
  #6
Old November 24, 2012, 03:21 PM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
So, "The sun made my shadow show", is not using the subjunctive?
Reply With Quote
  #7
Old November 24, 2012, 03:52 PM
ROBINDESBOIS's Avatar
ROBINDESBOIS ROBINDESBOIS is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,040
ROBINDESBOIS is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to ROBINDESBOIS
Our shadows were projected under the sun ????
Reply With Quote
  #8
Old November 25, 2012, 12:26 AM
pjt33's Avatar
pjt33 pjt33 is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Valencia, España
Posts: 2,600
Native Language: Inglés (en-gb)
pjt33 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
So, "The sun made my shadow show", is not using the subjunctive?
No, infinitive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBINDESBOIS View Post
Our shadows were projected under the sun ????
By the sun, perhaps. I think your intended parse puts us under the sun, but I read that as the shadows being under the sun, and they're actually away from it.
Reply With Quote
  #9
Old November 25, 2012, 09:30 AM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
So, "The sun made my shadow show", is not using the subjunctive?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjt33 View Post
No, infinitive.
So how would that phrase be written in Subjunctive?
Reply With Quote
  #10
Old November 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
So how would that phrase be written in Subjunctive?
It wouldn't, and it's not a phrase.
Reply With Quote
  #11
Old November 25, 2012, 06:17 PM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
It wouldn't, and it's not a phrase.
Excellent!

Whatever it isn't, or is, how would you write it in subjunctive?
Reply With Quote
  #12
Old November 26, 2012, 01:50 AM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
Whatever it isn't, or is, how would you write it in subjunctive?
The sun made my shadow show - indicative mood plus infinitive
Did the sun make my shadow show? - interrogative mood plus infinitive
Sun, make my shadow show! - imperative mood plus infinitive
Let the sun make my shadow show - jussive subjunctive mood plus infinitive

That's the best I can do first thing in the morning.
Reply With Quote
  #13
Old November 26, 2012, 08:57 AM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
The sun made my shadow show - indicative mood plus infinitive

Let the sun make my shadow show - jussive subjunctive mood plus infinitive

That's the best I can do first thing in the morning.
The other two are not necessary. Now, from the two left:

You wrote the second (whatever) with the verbs make and show in subjunctive.

Please write the same (whatever) with the same verbs but use the past tense for the verb "make".

Wouldn't that leave?

(I) let the sun made my shadow show
Reply With Quote
  #14
Old November 26, 2012, 01:59 PM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
You wrote the second (whatever) with the verbs make and show in subjunctive.
No I didn't. The English infinitive is usually (e.g.) 'to show': I wanted to show how pleased I was.

But there is also a shortened infinitive without 'to': I must show you these photos.

The 'shadow' sentence has show as shortened infinitive. See here
Reply With Quote
  #15
Old November 26, 2012, 06:09 PM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perikles View Post
No I didn't. The English infinitive is usually (e.g.) 'to show': I wanted to show how pleased I was.

But there is also a shortened infinitive without 'to': I must show you these photos.

The 'shadow' sentence has show as shortened infinitive. See here
Excellent again.

But you haven't answered.

The sun made my shadow ...... what form of show would make it subjunctive?
Reply With Quote
  #16
Old November 27, 2012, 12:06 AM
Perikles's Avatar
Perikles Perikles is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tenerife
Posts: 4,814
Native Language: Inglés
Perikles is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileno View Post
But you haven't answered.

The sun made my shadow ...... what form of show would make it subjunctive?
Sometimes there is no answer, because a subjunctive would make no sense. If you are forcing me to use a subjunctive of to show, then possibly something like, on a cloudy day,

If my shadow were shown because of the sun, then it would not have been cloudy.

This doesn't really make much sense.
Reply With Quote
  #17
Old November 27, 2012, 07:15 AM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
OK, thank you.

At least you were able to play, I guess.

Reply With Quote
  #18
Old November 27, 2012, 02:39 PM
tk421 tk421 is offline
Ruby
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 33
Native Language: inglés
tk421 is on a distinguished road
The sun cast my shadow.
The sun is casting a shadow of me on the ground.
Reply With Quote
  #19
Old November 27, 2012, 06:22 PM
poli's Avatar
poli poli is offline
rule 1: gravity
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: In and around New York
Posts: 7,923
Native Language: English
poli will become famous soon enoughpoli will become famous soon enough
Chileno, you know that the subjunctive in English is not as well-defined in English as it is in Spanish. Some people annoyingly seem to be unaware of if it.

I suppose if you were to use the subjunctive in this vain, you may say: would that the sun make my shadow show. I am not even sure if that is subjuntive however. Some other foreros may be able to verify this. In any case, it sounds kind of Shakespearian.
__________________
Me ayuda si corrige mis errores. Gracias.
Reply With Quote
  #20
Old November 27, 2012, 08:35 PM
chileno's Avatar
chileno chileno is offline
Diamond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas, USA
Posts: 7,865
Native Language: Castellano
chileno is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to chileno
Quote:
Originally Posted by poli View Post
Chileno, you know that the subjunctive in English is not as well-defined in English as it is in Spanish. Some people annoyingly seem to be unaware of if it.

I suppose if you were to use the subjunctive in this vain, you may say: would that the sun make my shadow show. I am not even sure if that is subjuntive however. Some other foreros may be able to verify this. In any case, it sounds kind of Shakespearian.

Thank you. I am aware of how it would sound, very archaic to say the least, just wanted to sort some of the possibilities with people that supposedly know English grammar.

That's all. I like to learn too, but in a different way, I guess.
Reply With Quote
Reply

 

Link to this thread
URL: 
HTML Link: 
BB Code: 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Site Rules

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Five O'clock Shadow Pura Idioms & Sayings 7 November 06, 2012 03:53 PM
Shadow minister JPablo Vocabulary 11 April 07, 2011 05:21 PM
Cast a long shadow JPablo Idioms & Sayings 4 October 08, 2010 01:27 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:44 AM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

X