Dulce

[laepelba]

Does the word "dulce" (as an adjective) only apply to food, or can a person be "dulce"? In English, I could say "She is a sweet person." Or "You are a sweet friend." But is it possible to say "Ella es una persona dulce" o "Eres una amiga dulce"??

[poli]

sí, yes, oui

[laepelba]

Gracias, mi amigo dulce. :)

[chileno]

Gracias, mi amigo dulce. :)

Then you have to leave the adjective in front of the noun, like in English.

Mi dulce amiga. :)

[laepelba]

Then you have to leave the adjective in front of the noun, like in English.

Mi dulce amiga. :)

UGH!!!! WHY!!!!!!!????????? I NEVER understand when to put the adjective IN FRONT vs. AFTER the noun. WHY!!!!???

[chileno]

UGH!!!! WHY!!!!!!!????????? I NEVER understand when to put the adjective IN FRONT vs. AFTER the noun. WHY!!!!???

You know I do not know grammar, so with that in mind, let's see:

It is often that in Spanish you hear that is not the same to say: el pobre hombre que el hombre pobre.

The first one means the sad man and the second means poor man.

With amigo dulce vs dulce amigo

the first means sweet tasting friend and the second sweet friend.

Makes sense?

Besides, sometimes, poetically speaking, you can place the adjectives in front of the noun.

Besides, you are trying to get this logically and this will get time. When you transcribe stuff like this your mind starts to see the light. :-)

[laepelba]

You I do not know grammar, so with that in mind, let's see:

It is often that in Spanish you hear that is not the same to say: el pobre hombre que el hombre pobre.

The first one means the sad man and the second means poor man.

With amigo dulce vs dulce amigo

the first means sweet tasting friend and the second sweet friend.

Makes sense?

Besides, sometimes, poetically speaking, you can place the adjectives in front of the noun.

Besides, you are trying to get this logically and this will get time. When you transcribe stuff like this your mind starts to see the light. :-)

Thanks. You know me - I want a "rule" for everything.....

[Perikles]

UGH!!!! WHY!!!!!!!????????? I NEVER understand when to put the adjective IN FRONT vs. AFTER the noun. WHY!!!!???Do I detect a faint note of frustration here, mi dulce amiga? :D

My grammar book says Adjective position in Spanish generally depends on the relationship between the noun and the adjective. It is very extensively manipulated for stylistic effect, and so adjective placement is rarely 'right' or 'wrong'

Which is no help at all. :rolleyes:

Then it says:

Adjectives placed after the noun

a) denote a distinctive attribute of the noun (nationality, shape purpose.....)
b) denote a sub-group

Adjectives placed before the noun

a) denote a non-distinctive or well-known property
b) denote irony

e.g.
los blancos cisnes (swans are known to be white)
los cisnes blancos (white swans as a sub-group, not black)

I have a list here of common adjectives which have important and different meanings according to placement:

antiguo / cierto / diferentes / distintos / grande / medio / nuevo / pobre / proprio / puro / simple / único / varios

Would you like me to list them? :)

[laepelba]

Which is no help at all. :rolleyes:

Then it says:

Adjectives placed after the noun

a) denote a distinctive attribute of the noun (nationality, shape purpose.....)
b) denote a sub-group

Adjectives placed before the noun

a) denote a non-distinctive or well-known property
b) denote irony

e.g.
los blancos cisnes (swans are known to be white)
los cisnes blancos (white swans as a sub-group, not black)

I have a list here of common adjectives which have important and different meanings according to placement:

antiguo / cierto / diferentes / distintos / grande / medio / nuevo / pobre / proprio / puro / simple / único / varios

Would you like me to list them? :)

Yes, your grammar book is no help at all. :lol: But YOU are being VERY helpful here.

So, yes, um, I would definitely like you to list them. BUT ... maybe it should be in a new thread in the grammar forum? What do you think?

(I keep thinking that I have an easily answered question and then there are a zillion replies.)

[chileno]

Do I detect a faint note of frustration here, mi dulce amiga? :D

My grammar book says

Which is no help at all. :rolleyes:



:D

Yeah, Spanish has that German precision....

And of course it has the RAE, and then we go onto discussing prescription vs description. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the explanation, every bit helps.

[laepelba]

:D

Yeah, Spanish has that German precision....

And of course it has the RAE, and then we go onto discussing prescription vs description. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the explanation, every bit helps.

I know we have seen this before (recently), but can you remind me the difference between prescriptive grammar and descriptive grammar? (Irmamar?)

[Perikles]

I know we have seen this before (recently), but can you remind me the difference between prescriptive grammar and descriptive grammar? (Irmamar?)This is an endless argument. pjt knows much more about this, but basically, if you prescribe a grammar you are telling people what their grammar should be. You are the grammar police. If you describe a grammar, you are providing a grammar of what people actually say, without any aim of telling them whether it is wrong or not.

Teaching grammar is a balance between the two. I think.:thinking::)

[bobjenkins]

This is an endless argument. pjt knows much more about this, but basically, if you prescribe a grammar you are telling people what their grammar should be. You are the grammar police. If you describe a grammar, you are providing a grammar of what people actually say, without any aim of telling them whether it is wrong or not.

Teaching grammar is a balance between the two. I think.:thinking::)
Soy enfermo, medicíname una toma de gramática por favor doctor:)

Me gusta cuando la gente me dan reglas, luego ya, tengo un fundamento para construir en;)

[chileno]

Soy enfermo, medicíname una toma de gramática por favor doctor:)

Me gusta cuando la gente me dan reglas, luego ya, tengo un fundamento para construir en;)

Yes, because you are American and usually Americans say "Rules were meant to be broken" :rolleyes:

[bobjenkins]

Yes, because you are American and usually Americans say "Rules were meant to be broken" :rolleyes:
Las reglas debería acatarse
pero solo un poco del tiempo:D

[chileno]

Las reglas deberían acatarse
pero solo un poco del tiempo:D

:rolleyes:

[laepelba]

This is an endless argument. pjt knows much more about this, but basically, if you prescribe a grammar you are telling people what their grammar should be. You are the grammar police. If you describe a grammar, you are providing a grammar of what people actually say, without any aim of telling them whether it is wrong or not.

Teaching grammar is a balance between the two. I think.:thinking::)

I'm not a language teacher, but I would say that it makes sense to teach a combination of both. Thank you for explaining the difference.


Me gusta cuando la gente me dan reglas, luego ya, tengo un fundamento para construir en;)

Yo también!! :)

Yes, because you are American and usually Americans say "Rules were meant to be broken" :rolleyes:

Not ALL Americans like breaking rules............. :sad:

Las reglas debería acatarse
pero solo un poco del tiempo:D

Nice, Bob ... nice.......

[CrOtALiTo]

Does the word "dulce" (as an adjective) only apply to food, or can a person be "dulce"? In English, I could say "She is a sweet person." Or "You are a sweet friend." But is it possible to say "Ella es una persona dulce" o "Eres una amiga dulce"??

I believe that in English when you need to say Sweet to someone, you need to use the word nice.

Really sweet will be used for the food.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by chileno http://forums.tomisimo.org/images/smooth-buttons-en-5/viewpost.gif (http://forums.tomisimo.org/showthread.php?p=68072#post68072)
Yes, because you are American and usually Americans say "Rules were meant to be broken" :rolleyes:


Not ALL Americans like breaking rules............. :sad:


That's why I said "usually" or maybe I should have said "generally" or perhaps "some" ... :D

[Perikles]

I believe that in English when you need to say Sweet to someone, you need to use the word nice.

Really sweet will be used for the food.Not only, but also :) You would say 'what a sweet little girl' = cute / mona / guapísima. :)