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Using "se" - Page 2


Elaina December 21, 2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 65805)
Throw your grammar book away :D

"Se vende naranjas" is not possible (not even theoretically). Here there is an interesting link about this question. :)


It's possible......if you see the word "naranjas" as one thing or a group of one item.

Por ejemplo:

¿Que se vende en esa tienda?
-- Bueno se vende fruta, se vende naranjas, manzanas, plátanos, etc.

I know I'm on left field with this one but it is possible..........

:rolleyes:

bricks December 21, 2009 08:18 AM

Ah. I'm finding this very difficult. I understand the concept and theory behind se being a passive voice, a reflexive pronoun, and an impersonal pronoun, but when I go and read something for practice I just can't make sense of the sentence.

Does anyone have any tips or general advice (anything!) that help them distinguish between uses? I've been studying Spanish for three months and this is the first thing I've found hard. I may return to it later when I'm a little better.

Thanks friends.

Perikles December 21, 2009 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks (Post 65852)
Ah. I'm finding this very difficult. .... I've been studying Spanish for three months and this is the first thing I've found hard. I may return to it later when I'm a little better.

I find it very hard, out of proportion to its importance. I think in learning a language, rather than lose heart it is advisable to make a mental note of such problems, and return at a later date. It will sink in at the appropriate time. :)

irmamar December 21, 2009 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elaina (Post 65851)
It's possible......if you see the word "naranjas" as one thing or a group of one item.

Por ejemplo:

¿Que se vende en esa tienda?
-- Bueno se vende fruta, se vende naranjas, manzanas, plátanos, etc.

I know I'm on left field with this one but it is possible..........

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but it's not possible:

Se vende fruta: naranjas, manzanas, etc.
Or
Se vende fruta. (Se) venden naranjas, manzanas, etc.

If you want to speak a correct Spanish, you mustn't confuse "pasiva refleja" with "impersonales". When I hear some Spanish speaker mixing such sentences up my ears cry :eek:

:)

Bricks, three months is a very short time to learn "se" uses. Maybe later you'll be able to learn them better. ;)

AngelicaDeAlquezar December 21, 2009 08:54 AM

@Bricks: I guess you will just have to go through reading and making sentences to start developing the feeling for it... in the meantime, check the hints that have been provided so you can actually get to approach the general usage. There is no shortcut. :)

CrOtALiTo December 21, 2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elaina (Post 65851)
It's possible......if you see the word "naranjas" as one thing or a group of one item.

Por ejemplo:

¿Que se vende en esa tienda?
-- Bueno se vende fruta, se vende naranjas, manzanas, plátanos, etc.

I know I'm on left field with this one but it is possible..........

:rolleyes:

Your examples are very skillful.

Congratulation.

Fazor December 22, 2009 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 65861)
I find it very hard, out of proportion to its importance. I think in learning a language, rather than lose heart it is advisable to make a mental note of such problems, and return at a later date. It will sink in at the appropriate time. :)

I like that advice. I've found that many times when I've had problems figuring something out (which is very often, by the way), it may seem like one particular word/rule/whatever that's hard to grasp, but it reality, it's because I've yet to learn other aspects of grammar.

I don't know if that makes sense or not, but in short; the more I learn, the more other things become (relatively) easier to grasp.

. . . keep in mind, my Spanish isn't all that good yet. :)

CrOtALiTo December 22, 2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fazor (Post 65997)
I like that advice. I've found that many times when I've had problems figuring something out (which is very often, by the way), it may seem like one particular word/rule/whatever that's hard to grasp, but it reality, it's because I've yet to learn other aspects of grammar.

I don't know if that makes sense or not, but in short; the more I learn, the more other things become (relatively) easier to grasp.

. . . keep in mind, my Spanish isn't all that good yet. :)

I have seen your Spanish and it seems more correct than the mine.


I believe that sometimes it's hard to grasp because the person hasn't the animus to learn the language.

Fazor December 23, 2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 66041)
I have seen your Spanish and it seems more correct than the mine.

No es verdad, pero gracias. La problema es que no sé la gramática en ingles. Es difícil para aprender gramática en español cuando no lo sé en tus lengua materna. Puedo hablar y escribir en ingles porque yo vivo la lengua, pero yo no estudiaba gramática mucho. No me gustaba.


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