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Pronunciation of Spanish "g" - Page 4


laepelba January 04, 2010 05:23 PM

So do you have an example of the "other" t sound?

chileno January 04, 2010 05:40 PM

I am talking about your sounds of T's, right?


"Later" is pronounced "slowly" or "fast", two sounds there, the sound of the T is soft or hard or whatever is it that you denominate that sound. Whereas the T pronounced faster it sounds like a "fast" D also.

hmmm i I feel a Wav coming up....

laepelba January 04, 2010 05:41 PM

Looking forward to it....... :) I know that there's a connection between the pronunciation of D and T......

chileno January 04, 2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 67534)
Looking forward to it....... :) I know that there's a connection between the pronunciation of D and T......

I've been talking about English pronunciation all along... My point of view, anyway. :-)

laepelba January 04, 2010 05:52 PM

Right - I know. But I pronounce English the way I do. I don't think about it. If you're saying there are two different pronunciations of T, I don't really know quite what you're referring to...........

chileno January 04, 2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 67540)
Right - I know. But I pronounce English the way I do. I don't think about it. If you're saying there are two different pronunciations of T, I don't really know quite what you're referring to...........

Ah, ok. I'll have to upload this wav and see what happens.

Rusty January 04, 2010 05:57 PM

He's talking about the way we say 'better' when we're talking naturally and how we say it slowly to someone who may be learning the word. We naturally say something very close to the Spanish clipped 'r' sound. When we slow down, though, we pronounce the 't'. There's quite a difference between the two sounds.

chileno January 04, 2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 67543)
He's talking about the way we say 'better' when we're talking naturally and how we say it slowly to someone who may be learning the word. We naturally say something very close to the Spanish clipped 'r' sound. When we slow down, though, we pronounce the 't'. There's quite a difference between the two sounds.

Thank you Rusty.

Now, the following links are good for getting a better grasp at pronunciation.

The last link is excellent, because it is explained by a an English native, and I am guessing here, but his first language was Spanish. :-)







laepelba January 04, 2010 06:48 PM

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perikles January 05, 2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 67543)
He's talking about the way we say 'better' when we're talking naturally and how we say it slowly to someone who may be learning the word. We naturally say something very close to the Spanish clipped 'r' sound. When we slow down, though, we pronounce the 't'. There's quite a difference between the two sounds.

This is not the case for BrE, the 't' is always hard. Do you think there is a possibility that the difference in these sounds is because the USA has been influenced in the past by Spanish pronunciation? :)

irmamar January 05, 2010 01:54 AM

Todos sesean, nadie pronuncia c/z como /θ/.

pjt33 January 05, 2010 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chileno (Post 67527)
Both words, if pronounced correctly, it should be with a "soft" T. However, if "glottal" is pronounced quickly, then it becomes "glodal" in English. :)

In some accents (e.g. Sarf London, innit) it becomes gloh-al with a glottal stop. I can't see "glodal" occurring with a SE English accent, although I can see it with some US and Australian accents.

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chileno January 05, 2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 67580)
This is not the case for BrE, the 't' is always hard. Do you think there is a possibility that the difference in these sounds is because the USA has been influenced in the past by Spanish pronunciation? :)

Depends on what you call hard. :)

Like in G? or was that strong...? :rolleyes:

irmamar January 05, 2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 67580)
This is not the case for BrE, the 't' is always hard. Do you think there is a possibility that the difference in these sounds is because the USA has been influenced in the past by Spanish pronunciation? :)

I don't think so. We've never pronounced a /t/ like an /r/.

Many people from several countries from the North of Europe went to America, not only British people. Surely they influenced the language or the pronunciation with their native language. :thinking:

:)

Perikles January 05, 2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 67647)
Many people from several countries from the North of Europe went to America, not only British people. Surely they influenced the language or the pronunciation with their native language.

But that is exactly what I was suggesting. :)

irmamar January 05, 2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 67653)
But that is exactly what I was suggesting. :)

Then, I didn't understand you :o. :)

Perikles January 05, 2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 67654)
Then, I didn't understand you :o. :)

OK - Standard BrE always pronounces the letter 't' as 't'. Better, butter, Tap, Tea, whatever, the sound is the same (except for some weird dialects). What I suggested was that immigrants in the USA who learned English as a foreign language perhaps influenced the present USA English habit of softening the 't' to a 'd' so that butter sounds like budder. Or perhaps this is rubbish. :)

irmamar January 05, 2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 67658)
OK - Standard BrE always pronounces the letter 't' as 't'. Better, butter, Tap, Tea, whatever, the sound is the same (except for some weird dialects). What I suggested was that immigrants in the USA who learned English as a foreign language perhaps influenced the present USA English habit of softening the 't' to a 'd' so that butter sounds like budder. Or perhaps this is rubbish. :)

Yes, but not Spanish speakers. :)


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