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Domesticity


irmamar February 14, 2011 10:29 AM

Domesticity
 
I don't like this word at all. Dealing with the WWII, my book says:

Women were paid lower wages than men, since they were expected to return to domesticity once the war was over.

That sounds like if women were animals. :rolleyes: :mad:

May I say: "they were expected to return home/their homes once the war was over"?

Thanks. :)

Perikles February 14, 2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105376)
I don't like this word at all. Dealing with the WWII, my book says:

Women were paid lower wages than men, since they were expected to return to domesticity once the war was over.

That sounds like if women were animals. :rolleyes: :mad:

May I say: "they were expected to return home/their homes once the war was over"?

Thanks. :)

No you can't. You could say it, but it ruins the intended meaning. In English, it does not sound that bad, but it does have the overtone of male domination which would be appropriate and intentionally meant for the mentality of the time.

You can't alter the meaning just because you don't like the concept. You are displaying an emotional response. (I'd better stop there.) :D

irmamar February 14, 2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 105382)
No you can't. You could say it, but it ruins the intended meaning. In English, it does not sound that bad, but it does have the overtone of male domination which would be appropriate and intentionally meant for the mentality of the time.

You can't alter the meaning just because you don't like the concept. You are displaying an emotional response. (I'd better stop there.) :D

But this word used nowadays sound like if that male domination would still be present. :thinking:

Of course I'm displaying an emotional response, because if I have this question in the exam, I wouldn't like to say "domesticity". :impatient:

I forgive you because you are you. :D :rose:

Perikles February 14, 2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105384)
But this word used nowadays sound like if that male domination would still be present. :thinking:

No it does not. It is a concept which is understood today as being the kind of thing approved of at that time. There is also the overtone that it is nowadays outdated.

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105384)
Of course I'm displaying an emotional response, because if I have this question in the exam, I wouldn't like to say "domesticity".

Tough. You must still use the word.

By the way, I have just asked Janet, and she agrees with what I say. End of discussion (she always gets the last word). :p

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105384)
I forgive you because you are you. :D :rose:

Well thank you so much. :D :kiss:

irmamar February 14, 2011 11:17 AM

Well, then "domesticity"... But I don't like this word yet. :rolleyes:

Thanks. :rose:

Perikles February 14, 2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105388)
Well, then "domesticity"... But I don't like this word yet. :rolleyes:

I just said Janet gets the last word, not you. :lol::lol::lol:

irmamar February 14, 2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 105389)
I just said Janet gets the last word, not you. :lol::lol::lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

poli February 14, 2011 11:40 AM

You can use : women were expected to return to their roles as housewives after the war.
or: to give up their temporary work and return to domestic duties after the war.

I like the third choice, because domestic duties are essential. It's a bit old fashioned, but I think many middle class women would prefer domestic
duties without other employment during their child-rearing years.

Perikles February 14, 2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by poli (Post 105391)
You can use : women were expected to return to their roles as housewives after the war.
or: to give up their temporary work and return to domestic duties after the war..

Yes, you could use these, but I've been trying to convince @Irma that any other expression would alter the sense that domesticity conveys.

A role as housewife is does not have the same overtone of subordination which @Irma dislikes (I can't think why :rolleyes:) but which is an accurate description of the mentality in those days)

pjt33 February 14, 2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 105376)
That sounds like if women were animals. :rolleyes: :mad:

Animals aren't domestic in the same way :p

Perikles February 14, 2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pjt33 (Post 105393)
Animals aren't domestic in the same way :p

That's very true - they can't make breakfast. :D

poli February 14, 2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pjt33 (Post 105393)
Animals aren't domestic in the same way :p

Not now but in other centuries the cow provides the milk, the pig provided the meat, the wife provided the ...etc etc

irmamar February 15, 2011 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by poli (Post 105397)
Not now but in other centuries the cow provides the milk, the pig provided the meat, the wife provided the ...etc etc

Sometimes it is like this still nowadays. :rolleyes: ;)

poli February 15, 2011 05:21 AM

Yes, but now there are more options at least in the Western World.


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