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Chiquill@


Caballero July 07, 2011 08:24 PM

Chiquill@
 
What is the difference between that and chic@?

chileno July 07, 2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113432)
What is the difference between that and chic@?

First, there is no letter in Spanish that is represented by "@"

I know it seems OK to use it, but really it isn't.

Chico/chica chiquillo/chiquilla chicuelo/chicuela all are the same, but chico/chica is used when talking for example about your boyfriend/girlfriend and chiquillo/chiquilla is more used for son/daughter.

It depends on the country etc...

Caballero July 07, 2011 10:35 PM

No te preocupás. Nunca lo uso en papeles formales, sólamente uso en foros en la Web.

Rusty July 07, 2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113435)
No te preocupés. Nunca la uso en papeles formales, sólamente la uso en los foros de la Red.

The at sign (@) is called una arroba in Spanish, so I provided the correct direct object pronouns above, as well as other corrections. :)

Caballero July 09, 2011 06:40 PM

Gracias. ¿Cuál forma es eso? ¿Subjuntivo? He creío que el verbo era "preocuparse".

aleCcowaN July 09, 2011 07:00 PM

No te preocupes [Preocupés is non standard voseo, and it's familiar. If you told me "no te preocupés" I would probably reply "Cool it!". You can use it with "che" -and face what may come-]

"preocupes" is present subjunctive; in this case, the negative form of imperative.

No te preocupas = You don't care
No te preocupes = Don't worry

Rusty July 09, 2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113493)
Gracias. ¿Cuál forma es eso? ¿Subjuntivo?

"Don't worry" is a negative command, so the negative imperative mood is used. You used the negated present indicative and the voseo form.

There is more than way to form the voseo negative imperative. I wrote it the way it the way I heard it used in Central America.

More Information. In this article, you'll see that '(Vos) No cerrés tus ojos' is used in Guatemala. I'm thinking AlecCowan would use '(Vos) No cierres tus ojos'.

laepelba July 10, 2011 09:08 AM

I just want to add that I have seen people posting in professional forums/listserves who will occasionally use "@" because they want to intentionally avoid saying something like "Estimados colegas..." so they write "Estimad@s colegas....". I know it's not necessarily acceptable here, nor is it absolutely correct grammar. But I have definitely seen it used by professional and educated people........

aleCcowaN July 10, 2011 02:18 PM

Sí, el lenguaje se está volviendo cada vez más sexista y/o erotizado.

Caballero July 10, 2011 10:31 PM

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[Preocupés is non standard voseo, and it's familiar. If you told me "no te preocupés" I would probably reply "Cool it!".
And if a Central American said that to you?

So are you saying it would sound rude to say that in Argentina?

chileno July 10, 2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113524)
And if a Central American said that to you?

So are you saying it would sound rude to say that in Argentina?

Truth is that it would be used like in English. Depends on the context used.


"Don't (you) worry"

It can be used without the intention of being dense, as well as the other way around.

Right?

aleCcowaN July 11, 2011 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113524)
And if a Central American said that to you?

So are you saying it would sound rude to say that in Argentina?

No one has done it and I don't think they'd do.

It's not what you say but to whom and in what circumstances.

AngelicaDeAlquezar July 11, 2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 113510)
I just want to add that I have seen people posting in professional forums/listserves who will occasionally use "@" because they want to intentionally avoid saying something like "Estimados colegas..." so they write "Estimad@s colegas....". I know it's not necessarily acceptable here, nor is it absolutely correct grammar. But I have definitely seen it used by professional and educated people........

Lazy people.
Some of us were taught in school that when we would want to underline the inclusion of feminine and masculine, we should write "niño(a)", "amigo(a)", "estimados(as)", "chicos(as)"...
Habemos los(as) que abominamos de esa "@" para abreviar. ;)

Caballero July 12, 2011 10:51 AM

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we should write "niño(a)", "amigo(a)", "estimados(as)", "chicos(as)"...
Ugh. :yuck: That looks very unaesthetic and distracting. I don't like that at all.

gatoneo July 12, 2011 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballero (Post 113592)
Ugh. :yuck: That looks very unaesthetic and distracting. I don't like that at all.


but that is the polite way to spell

Caballero July 12, 2011 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gatoneo (Post 113598)
but that is the polite way to spell

I thought the -os forms already included the feminine, so isn't it kind of redundant? To me it looks as ugly as writing "he/she" in English. It makes reading something almost impossible.

AngelicaDeAlquezar July 12, 2011 12:31 PM

There is no neutral gender in Spanish and masculine forms play that role, but when there is need (or will) to underline the inclusion of both feminine and masculine elements in a group, "@" is not acceptable for a correct sentence.


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