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Summer southern?


aleCcowaN January 03, 2012 05:13 PM

Summer southern?
 
I was just watching a British TV programme about the Dakar Rally, and I think I heard "Summer southern" to refer the current season here in Argentina. Could it be that way instead of "southern Summer"?

Rusty January 03, 2012 08:39 PM

I would say 'southern summer', if the reference is the current season in Argentina.

poli January 03, 2012 09:25 PM

I term have heard for summer south of the equator is austral summer.
In the United States, southern summer is something people suffer through in places like New Orleans or San Antonio.

mikemacabre January 04, 2012 07:42 AM

I've never heard of southern summer. We call it a dry season. If you are referring to the heat and droughts we get.

When I hear southern summer I think of a nice getaway in like... South Carolina with good southern food and people with southern accents.

aleCcowaN January 05, 2012 11:07 AM

I heard "Summer southern" about the austral Summer (Southern Hemisphere's), and it was during a British program about the Dakar Rally.

Maybe it's a British thing :thinking:

poli January 05, 2012 06:19 PM

I don't think it's a British thing. It may have been the speaker's attempt to explain his use of summer in frigid January (over Cancer) He may have said: summer (slight pause) southern --implying under Capricorn. This is not very good communication in English.

It's rare to hear the adjective after the noun in English in common speech.
In poetry you may hear it more (the night mysterious, my dreams delirious, the ocean blue, etc).The twentieth-century American songwriter and lyicist Cole Porter loved to place the adjective after the noun. I'm assuming it's because he was francophone, but maybe just because it's easier to rhyme that way. Anyway it does give English a certain je ne sais quoi.:rolleyes:

Perikles January 06, 2012 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN (Post 120384)
I heard "Summer southern" about the austral Summer (Southern Hemisphere's), and it was during a British program about the Dakar Rally.

Maybe it's a British thing :thinking:

Poli is correct. This is not a British thing. He might have tried to avoid the expression 'austral Summer' which not many people would understand, and just failed. Anyway, it is quite wrong. I wonder how this came up, seeing that Dakar has a latitude of 14 degrees North. :thinking:

aleCcowaN January 06, 2012 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 120407)
Poli is correct. This is not a British thing. He might have tried to avoid the expression 'austral Summer' which not many people would understand, and just failed. Anyway, it is quite wrong. I wonder how this came up, seeing that Dakar has a latitude of 14 degrees North. :thinking:

Thank you all.

Yes, I think Poli is correct. Maybe the voice said something like "Summer (southern)" but no pause was heard between both words".

The Dakar Rally started this year in Mar del Plata, that is some 38 degrees South, I think [And a nearly record of 38 degrees -Celsius, more than 100 Fahrenheit- yesterday afternoon]

Perikles January 06, 2012 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN (Post 120409)
The Dakar Rally started this year in Mar del Plata, that is some 38 degrees South, I think [And a nearly record of 38 degrees -Celsius, more than 100 Fahrenheit- yesterday afternoon]

Ah - that was rather stupid of me, making the assumption that the Dakar rally was somehow connected with Dakar. :D

(Yes, now I've googled its history. It should be renamed the NowhereNearDakar Rally)

aleCcowaN January 06, 2012 06:09 AM

Yes, it looks like "Dakar" is used today more as an adjective meaning "it includes adventure" or "extreme conditions".

By the way, climate is "out of order" as we are burning here, latitudes 30 to 45 degrees -6 Chilean firefighters were killed yesterday tackling wildfires- but rally's stage Fiambalá-Copiapó (27 degrees south) was canceled owing to the heavy rain and snow fall in a semi-desert area.


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