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Use of 'de' and 'de la' as Prefixes of Surnames


Sancho Panther August 14, 2012 10:33 AM

Use of 'de' and 'de la' as Prefixes of Surnames
 
I was reading in "Wikipedia Española" Manuel de Falla's biography wherein I noticed his father's surname was just recorded as Falla. Is there a specific reason for the addition of the 'de' or is just an affectation?

I used to work with a Gibraltarian whose surname was de la Paz but he couldn't explain it either!

He was a bit of a cantankerous so-and-so - and far from peaceful!

wrholt August 14, 2012 12:55 PM

You might check out another thread where this topic came up.

Sancho Panther August 15, 2012 05:44 AM

So upon reading another thread it does seem to be something of an affectation!

chileno August 15, 2012 08:27 AM

To me it means:

de Paz = belongs to the Paz's family etc.

de la Paz = comes from a place named Paz.

I might be wrong.

Did that help you?

Sancho Panther August 15, 2012 09:26 AM

More than you might think! He did come to Britain from Gibraltar - yes, but he always insisted his ancestors were from Bolivia!

Trouble was he'd say anything except his prayers - and those he whistled!

JPablo August 15, 2012 04:15 PM

Well, Paco de Lucía, as in "Paco of Lucía" (Lucía's Paco), as in the son of Lucía.

I invented my "noble" name when I was 12 or 13, and that was "Conde de la Pablura, Chichón y Carrascales" (I had forgotten this!)... but "de la Pablura" would be something to "belonging to the Pablura's County".

Your perception of "affectation" or "affectation" of some kind of "nobility" may be accurate.

Miguel de los Santos (Mikel of the Saints, or "Saints's Miguel") would be another example... (the examples are to many to count, but the usage "de" is common in Spanish names...)

chileno August 15, 2012 09:35 PM

Es Conde... no...yo ya lo escondí.

;)

JPablo August 15, 2012 09:51 PM

Sí...
- ¿Este es conde?
- Claro, este esconde la calidad y el dinero...

chileno August 16, 2012 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPablo (Post 127355)
Sí...
- ¿Este es conde?
- Claro, este esconde la calidad y el dinero...

:lol::lol::lol:

MomoEnds September 28, 2012 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sancho Panther (Post 127243)
I was reading in "Wikipedia Española" Manuel de Falla's biography wherein I noticed his father's surname was just recorded as Falla. Is there a specific reason for the addition of the 'de' or is just an affectation?

I used to work with a Gibraltarian whose surname was de la Paz but he couldn't explain it either!

He was a bit of a cantankerous so-and-so - and far from peaceful!

"De Algo" denotes from a noble family if you think about it: Hernando De Soto favous conqueror, Cayetano Martínez De irujo: son of Alba Duquess, the woman with the Higuera number of titles ( in fact all of the royal family a should vos on her presence

JPablo September 28, 2012 11:57 PM

Right, "hidalgo" (gentleman, nobleman) means literally "hijo de algo" (son of something [important]).


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