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No entiendo la diferencia


Esperar July 13, 2013 05:06 PM

No entiendo la diferencia
 
Necesito ayuda con algo en español. Por qué es correcta esta frase "No le dejes pasar." pero no ésta? Te quiero venir.

Pudiera ayudarme alguien?

Rusty July 13, 2013 05:37 PM

'Te quiero venir' doesn't make any sense. Is it supposed to mean 'I want you to come"?
If so, the correct way to say that is 'Quiero que vengas'.

This has nothing to do with the other sentence. That means 'Don't let him enter/pass/pass by/go by/pass through/go through'.

Does that help any?

Esperar July 13, 2013 05:54 PM

Entiendo que no tiene sentido pero la gramatica es la misma en comparación con la otra frase, no?

chileno July 13, 2013 07:22 PM

No le dejes pasar. - No quiero que pases.

No le dejes venir - No quiero que vengas.

No son lo mismo.

Rusty July 13, 2013 08:02 PM

It would be much better if you chose other examples. The dissimilarities far outweigh the similarities.
If you're asking if both verbs can take both an indirect and a direct object, yes, but using an indirect object with 'querer' doesn't have a direct translation into English like it does with 'dejar'.

chileno July 13, 2013 10:46 PM

I am not sure if you are talking to me, because that sounds like Greek to me. :rolleyes:

Now I could make it a bit easier...

No le dejes pasar. - No quiero que pases.
Do not let him pass - I don't want you to pass/get in etc.

No le dejes venir - No quiero que vengas.
Do not let him pass - I don't want you to come.

Rusty July 14, 2013 06:06 AM

I wasn't talking to you chileno.
By the way, the OP isn't asking about the two sentences you are posting. He doesn't see the difference between 'No le dejes pasar' and 'Te quiero venir'. The first sentence is good. The second one makes no sense.
I believe he's asking if both verbs can take both an indirect and a direct object. I said they can, but they don't translate into English the same way. 'Querer' takes a direct object. So, 'lo quiero', 'la quiero' and 'te quiero' are common sentences. 'Le quiero' would be heard in some parts of the world (see leísmo).
"Le quiero cantar" is an example of the OP's second sentence. He wants to know if it's possible to use it (WITHOUT the use of leísmo). Or so I think.

chileno July 14, 2013 07:50 AM

Ok...

Like you, I replied the original phrases weren't the same.

Let's see what he understands at the end. :)


Hay que esperar por esperar.

:D

Esperar July 14, 2013 04:38 PM

En realidad, no estoy seguro. :( Es demasiado difícil para entender la diferencia. :(

Rusty July 14, 2013 05:56 PM

The difference between what?

chileno July 14, 2013 06:54 PM

OK, all over again...:eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esperar (Post 140394)
Necesito ayuda con algo en español. Por qué es correcta esta frase "No le dejes pasar." pero no ésta? Te quiero venir.

Pudiera ayudarme alguien?

This was you question. Por qué one is correct and not the other.

I am going to start this time from the wrong one(s)

te quiero venir does not mean anything because venir is the wrong verb for this type of construction (whatever it is) and even in English it would be wrong:

te quiero venir = I want to come you :eek:

te quiero limpiar = I want to clean you:good:

te quiero enviar/mandar = I want to send you:good:

etc...

The problem is that Esperar most likely is trying the subjunctive and he doesn't state so when he posts either. Then again maybe not!

Now the other phrase which is correct:

No le dejes pasar = Don't you let him/her pass/come in etc :good:

No le dejes venir = Don't you let him/her come :good:

No le dejes limpiar = Don't you let him/her clean :good:


Now, as stated before, one construction doesn't have anything to do with the other as you can see by their English versions.

Now, if this doesn't help you, I really don't know what you were trying to ask in the first place, and even Rusty was guessing... :rolleyes:

Esperar July 15, 2013 05:00 PM

Creo que lo entiendo ahora. Gracias por la ayuda. Me has ayudado mucho, chileno!!

chileno July 15, 2013 09:33 PM

I hope so. In the event you haven't grasped it yet, let us know.


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