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Falda Verde June 07, 2014 02:55 PM

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I am trying to say he was born in 1840 in Spanish. Would it be Él nació en el catorce de mil ochociento cuarenta?

Rusty June 07, 2014 03:37 PM

mil ochocientos cuarenta = eighteen forty (1840)
Why did you add 'el catorce de'? That isn't in the English version. You may have also meant to state a certain month.

chileno June 07, 2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Falda Verde (Post 149824)
I am trying to say he was born in 1840 in Spanish. Would it be Él nació en el catorce de mil ochociento cuarenta?

There.

Falda Verde June 07, 2014 03:44 PM

So then if I was saying a certain say and month it would be Él nació en el catorce de noviembre de mil ochocientos cuarenta?

chileno June 07, 2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Falda Verde (Post 149830)
So then if I was saying a certain say and month it would be Él nació en el catorce de noviembre de mil ochocientos cuarenta?

You would use "el catorce" and then the month and then the year...

Wouldn't that be the same in your native language?

Rusty June 07, 2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chileno (Post 149834)
You would use "el catorce" and then the month and then the year...

Wouldn't that be the same in your native language?

Dropping the preposition 'en', which is what you meant by writing only 'el catorce', is possible English. Just as valid in English is 'on the fourteenth'. In other words, it's possible to say "He was born the fourteenth of November" or "He was born on the fourteenth of November." The latter would be heard much more often than the former.

To illustrate, lots of people are born on the fourth of July. Do a quoted internet search for "He was born on the fourth of July." Notice the number of hits. Next, remove the preposition 'on' from the quoted search and notice the number of hits. (Switch 'he' with 'she' in case you think the quoted search yields false hits.)

That is why English-speaking learners of Spanish insert the preposition 'en' where it is not expected in Spanish. ;)

chileno June 08, 2014 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 149838)
Dropping the preposition 'en', which is what you meant by writing only 'el catorce', is possible English. Just as valid in English is 'on the fourteenth'. In other words, it's possible to say "He was born the fourteenth of November" or "He was born on the fourteenth of November." The latter would be heard much more often than the former.

To illustrate, lots of people are born on the fourth of July. Do a quoted internet search for "He was born on the fourth of July." Notice the number of hits. Next, remove the preposition 'on' from the quoted search and notice the number of hits. (Switch 'he' with 'she' in case you think the quoted search yields false hits.)

That is why English-speaking learners of Spanish insert the preposition 'en' where it is not expected in Spanish. ;)

Well, there is no way anyone can translate that directly either.

If I see "He was born on the 4th of July", translated literally word for word to Spanish, which is my native language, the result would be :
"El fue nacido en el cuarto de Julio". At that point my Spanish nativeness would tell me that that has to be translated as "El nació el 4 de julio"

It would be the same process for English natives to translate from Spanish.

Rusty June 08, 2014 12:14 PM

I'm sure we're seeing eye-to-eye on these points. I was just trying to explain why we learners of another tongue come up with the oddities that we do. We need to learn how words work together and hardly ever trust that a word-for-word translation is possible.

chileno June 08, 2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 149844)
I'm sure we're seeing eye-to-eye on these points. I was just trying to explain why we learners of another tongue come up with the oddities that we do. We need to learn how words work together and hardly ever trust that a word-for-word translation is possible.

With my method, one learns by writing. This writing is done by transcribing from the foreign language. The interpreting it to the native language.

That's all.


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