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Estuve or naci?


hola October 13, 2008 06:37 PM

Estuve or naci?
 
if i want to say i was born in the united states i thought it was estuve naci but it cant be because estuve is a complete derivative of estar but estar describes temporary characteristics and locations so i would have to use the complete derivative of ser which is fui

so would it be fui naci or just naci?

CrOtALiTo October 13, 2008 07:54 PM

I think that you must the word, was born to say where you are from.


I was born in Mexico. This is only an example.

Rusty October 13, 2008 08:27 PM

Nací en Estados Unidos.
= I was born in the United States.

Tomisimo October 13, 2008 10:44 PM

It helps if you think of "nacer" as meaning "to be born" (the whole phrase).

poli October 14, 2008 06:17 AM

So, what you say is :Nací en los Estados Unidos (EE UU).You can also say: Soy de EE UU (I'm from the USA).Estuve en los Estados Unidos means I spent a short time in the States. I suppose it's gramatically correct to say estaba nacido en EE UU but it sounds a less usual to me. It would be interesting to hear what native Spanish speakers think. Estuve nacido sounds really strange. I do not recommend using it in common speech-- maybe in poetry or science fiction.

Elaina October 14, 2008 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poli (Post 17136)
So, what you say is :Nací en los Estados Unidos (EE UU).:good:
You can also say: Soy de EE UU (I'm from the USA).Estuve en los Estados Unidos means I spent a short time in the States.
I suppose it's gramatically correct to say estaba nacido en EE UU but it sounds a less usual to me. :bad::thumbsdown:
It would be interesting to hear what native Spanish speakers think. Estuve nacido sounds really strange. :bad::thumbsdown:
I do not recommend using it in common speech-- maybe in poetry or science fiction.

Nací en los Estados Unidos is quite correct.

To tell you the truth I don't think there are any other options.

There are other ways of giving the same message, i.e.
-Soy originario de los EEUU.
-Soy de los EEUU.
-Soy Americano.
-Soy estadounidense.

:twocents:

Rusty October 14, 2008 10:09 AM

Even though I personally think it sounds strange, I've come to learn that many hispanohablantes do not say the article los before Estados Unidos. You can say it either way, though.

Some countries do have an article in their official name and it must be used (El Salvador), but there is no rule otherwise. En España, suelen decir Argentina. En Argentina, suelen decir la Argentina. So, I say, "When in Rome ..."

CrOtALiTo October 14, 2008 10:38 AM

I don't agree with the phrase Estube nacido donde SEA, it's very strange and in really it does not hang, I think that the way correct to say where you was born is exactly so,

I was born in Mexico

Naci en Mexico

Not

Yo nacido en Mexico
Nacido en Mexico.

I'm sorry but it's my way to think the situation.

Elaina October 14, 2008 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo (Post 17157)
I don't agree with the phrase Estube nacido donde SEA, it's very strange and in really it does not hang, I think that the way correct to say where you was born is exactly so,

I was born in Mexico

Naci en Mexico

Not

Yo nacido en Mexico
Nacido en Mexico.

I'm sorry but it's my way to think the situation.

But.....you will find t-shirts and other things that say "Hecho en Mexico"...but I guess we're talking about where you were born not where you were procreated............:eek::p

The complete phrase is......

Lo hecho en México está bien hecho!

¿Correcto?
:thinking::thinking:

CrOtALiTo October 14, 2008 05:04 PM

Yeah, Elaina, you are right Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

Le hecho en México esta bién hecho. Como yo te dije antes? jijijijijii.

sosia October 15, 2008 12:32 AM

"Hecho en México" it's only a proud way to say "Made in Mexico", like the former "Made in Germany", now "Made in EU". Now it's more common "made in China" :wicked:
You're not speaking about "procreating", only about the proudly national product.

saludos :D

Elaina October 15, 2008 09:19 AM

Oh come one Sosia! We're only poking fun!

:lengua:

hola October 15, 2008 10:33 AM

nacido en mexico is 100% wrong and can not be said because nacido is a participle of "he" meaning it can only be used w/ "he" or "habria"

Rusty October 15, 2008 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hola (Post 17212)
nacido en mexico is 100% wrong and can not be said because nacido is a participle of "he" meaning it can only be used w/ "he" or "habria"

No, nacido en México means born in Mexico, just as much as hecho en México means made in Mexico. The past participle can function independently as an adjective.

recién nacido = newborn
hecho a mano = made by hand
mal escrita = poorly written
la nieve recién caida = recently fallen snow

aguerrero May 19, 2009 08:32 PM

Nacer/Haber nacido Ser/estar
 
It is a common mistake for English speaking people to mistake the verb to Be as an auxiliary verb like in English. In Spanish the auxiliary verb to form past tense or perfect tense is HABER. You can say "nací" or "he nacido" but never "fui nacido" or "estaba nacido" (not even in poetry) because on the contrary to English "nacer" is a personal action a direct action, in English to be borne indicates that someone does it for you (your mother brings you to this world).

Never forget that to be in Spanish is translated into SER or ESTAR. SER has a permanent condition, while ESTAR is temporary. Therefore, none of these two verbs are used as auxiliary verb unlike in English.

I hope this helps you clarify your doubts.:)


Quote:

Originally Posted by poli (Post 17136)
So, what you say is :Nací en los Estados Unidos (EE UU).You can also say: Soy de EE UU (I'm from the USA).Estuve en los Estados Unidos means I spent a short time in the States. I suppose it's gramatically correct to say estaba nacido en EE UU but it sounds a less usual to me. It would be interesting to hear what native Spanish speakers think. Estuve nacido sounds really strange. I do not recommend using it in common speech-- maybe in poetry or science fiction.


bobjenkins May 19, 2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aguerrero (Post 36598)
It is a common mistake for English speaking people to mistake the verb to Be as an auxiliary verb like in English. In Spanish the auxiliary verb to form past tense or perfect tense is HABER. You can say "nací" or "he nacido" but never "fui nacido" or "estaba nacido" (not even in poetry) because on the contrary to English "nacer" is a personal action a direct action, in English to be borne indicates that someone does it for you (your mother brings you to this world).

Never forget that to be in Spanish is translated into SER or ESTAR. SER has a permanent condition, while ESTAR is temporary. Therefore, none of these two verbs are used as auxiliary verb unlike in English.

I hope this helps you clarify your doubts.:)

Tu tema (post?) me ha ayudado aprenderlo mucho. Finalmente, estoy empezando ententer cómo usar HABER correctamente. gracias

Tomisimo May 23, 2009 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobjenkins (Post 36599)
Tu tema (post?) me ha ayudado ...

post = mensaje, post
thread = hilo, tema

bobjenkins May 24, 2009 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomisimo (Post 36941)
post = mensaje, post
thread = hilo, tema

Una vez más gracias david:) No encontraba 'post' en el dictionario, ¿esta palabra es masculino o femenino?

Marcelo January 24, 2010 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poli (Post 17136)
So, what you say is :Nací en los Estados Unidos (EE UU).You can also say: Soy de EE UU (I'm from the USA).Estuve en los Estados Unidos means I spent a short time in the States. I suppose it's gramatically correct to say estaba nacido en EE UU but it sounds a less usual to me. It would be interesting to hear what native Spanish speakers think. Estuve nacido sounds really strange. I do not recommend using it in common speech-- maybe in poetry or science fiction.

Estube nacido is totally wrong.
riight is
Yo naci en USA.
Yo soy de USA.


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