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To hold


irmamar January 19, 2010 10:46 AM

To hold
 
To hold has several meanings. I need one used as a reporting verb, but I must know if it is used reporting both what somebody said or what somebody thought. So I'd like to know if I'm able to say:

I hold my opinion - mantengo mi opinión
I hold a conversation - mantengo una conversación

Are both sentences correct?

Thanks.

Perikles January 19, 2010 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 69149)
I hold my opinion - mantengo mi opinión :bad:
'I hold an opinion' = I have a specific opinion. :good:
If the opinion does not change, I still hold the same opinion:good:
I hold a conversation - mantengo una conversación:good:

Also: I can hold my own in any discussion (although that is a specific idiom):)

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:04 AM

Then, how would you say "mantengo mi opinión sobre este tema"?

Perikles January 19, 2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 69152)
Then, how would you say "mantengo mi opinión sobre este tema"?

I maintain my opinion on this topic. (Almost word for word) :)

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 69154)
I maintain my opinion on this topic. (Almost word for word) :)

I have this verb, too, "maintain". So "maintain" would be referred to something that somebody said and "hold" would be to what somebody thought. Am I correct? :)

Perikles January 19, 2010 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 69155)
I have this verb, too, "maintain". So "maintain" would be referred to something that somebody said and "hold" would be to what somebody thought. Am I correct? :)

Ah no - sorry.

To hold = to have, so that to have an opinion = to hold an opinion.

To maintain = keep the same

If, say, you held an opinion, and somebody discussed it and provided more information to change your opinion, but which you don't change, then you maintain the opinion, i.e still hold the same one..

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:19 AM

So, both of them are related to the thought, not to the saying, aren't them? :thinking:

Perikles January 19, 2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 69157)
So, both of them are related to the thought, not to the saying, aren't them?:eek: (they) :thinking:

You could imagine a conversation:

A: Do you have any thoughts on this subject?

B: Yes, I hold a strong opinion, because bla bla bla...

A: And did you know that bla bla bla ....

B: No, I didn't, but I still maintain my opinion...

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 69158)
You could imagine a conversation:

A: Do you have any thoughts on this subject?

B: Yes, I hold a strong opinion, because bla bla bla...

A: And did you know that bla bla bla ....

B: No, I didn't, but I still maintain my opinion...

I didn't know you used "bla, bla, bla", too :D

Thanks. :) :rose:

pjt33 January 19, 2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 69154)
I maintain my opinion on this topic.

That sounds marked to me (and the BNC doesn't contain a single instance of someone talking about maintaining an opinion).

I stand by my opinion.
That doesn't change my opinion.

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:36 AM

Wordreference says "mantener una ideología".

I see now that it can mean "claim", too. So, I could say "maintain" with the meaning of "reclamar" (I guess related to saying).

Perikles January 19, 2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pjt33 (Post 69160)
That sounds marked to me (and the BNC doesn't contain a single instance of someone talking about maintaining an opinion).

I stand by my opinion.
That doesn't change my opinion.

Yes, your suggestions certainly seem more natural.

Quote:

Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 69161)
Wordreference says "mantener una ideología".

I see now that it can mean "claim", too. So, I could say "maintain" with the meaning of "reclamar" (I guess related to saying).

Yes, in the course of an argument:

A: I think that bla bla....
B: What about bla bla..?
A: Yes, but I still maintain that ...

irmamar January 19, 2010 11:43 AM

OK, thanks. :)

AngelicaDeAlquezar January 19, 2010 12:52 PM

Can someone hold on to his/her opinion? :thinking:

pjt33 January 19, 2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 69189)
Can someone hold on to his/her opinion? :thinking:

I don't think so, and I don't find any examples of it in BNC.


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