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Mellizos o gemelos


Perikles April 13, 2010 03:50 AM

Mellizos o gemelos
 
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Santa Cruz de Tenerife/ Las familias canarias que tengan mellizos o gemelos recibirán a partir de ahora ayudas.
Exactly what is the difference? Does this difference have regional variations?

Ambarina April 13, 2010 04:25 AM

Gemelos = identical twins
Mellizos = non-identical twins

I think this has come up in another thread but I can't find it. :)

sosia April 13, 2010 04:40 AM

gemelos: Identical twins. They come from the same fertilliced cell
Mellizos: they come from diferent fertiliced cells, They can be both male, both female, or male and a female.

saludos :D

Perikles April 13, 2010 05:09 AM

Thanks - my dictionary defines them both as 'twin'. Both words have the same root L. geminus (gemelo - gemellus - diminutive of geminus; mellizo from Vulg. Latin *gemellicius from gemellus). I was just wondering whether people really do make a distinction between the two. :)

pjt33 April 13, 2010 12:45 PM

My experience (I'm a non-identical twin, so I have a bit!) is that people with a degree in Spanish philology do make a distinction and most other people just call all twins gemelos. I've witnessed a native speaker call identical twins mellizos, and I've used "mellizo" with an Ecuadorian friend and then had to explain to him what it means.

Basically, it's like español vs castellano: whichever you use, you'll be wrong.

irmamar April 13, 2010 02:22 PM

De todos modos, un médico te hablará de "embarazo gemelar", sean gemelos o mellizos (univitelino o bivitelino). ;)

laepelba April 13, 2010 09:23 PM

How about triplets? How would one express the idea of identical vs. fraternal triplets? (Likewise, quads, quints, etc.?)

irmamar April 14, 2010 02:06 AM

Then x-llizos: trillizos, cuatrillizos, quintillizos y creo que hasta sextillizos. :)

sosia April 14, 2010 04:09 AM

Alltough I do make a distinction (I'm always curious :D), I agree with pjt33 that the term is very relaxed, and in an usual conversation you can hear both with no proper signification.

@ irmamar
"De todos modos, un médico te hablará de "embarazo gemelar", sean gemelos o mellizos (univitelino o bivitelino). "
Es correcto, pero yo creo que se cura en salud, el médico no sabe si son mellizos hasta tarde ... :D :D :D

Saludos :D

Perikles April 14, 2010 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 79532)
How about triplets? How would one express the idea of identical vs. fraternal triplets? (Likewise, quads, quints, etc.?)

Trust a mathematician to extend the specific to another case with a probability of 1 in 200 million. :D

From the internet: "TRILLIZOS GEMELARES IDENTICOS" NACEN UNO CADA 200 MILLONES DE PERSONAS
NACIERON EL 17 DE OCTUBRE DE 2007

Note the tautology. :)

laepelba April 14, 2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by irmamar (Post 79557)
Then x-llizos: trillizos, cuatrillizos, quintillizos y creo que hasta sextillizos. :)

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Originally Posted by Perikles (Post 79567)
Trust a mathematician to extend the specific to another case with a probability of 1 in 200 million. :D

From the internet: "TRILLIZOS GEMELARES IDENTICOS" NACEN UNO CADA 200 MILLONES DE PERSONAS
NACIERON EL 17 DE OCTUBRE DE 2007

Note the tautology. :)

Seriously, I teach a sibling group that includes a set of identical triplets. They have no discernible physical difference (they can't even tell you how to tell themselves apart). (They come to me with an older sister.) All three of the triplets have the same first name as well (they go by their middle names), but the gradebook and attendance software only accepts first names and does not show middle names. Talk about the teacher getting confused on a regular basis.

Anyway - if you are talking about non-identical triplets, it would be "trillizos", but if they're identical you would say "trillizos gemelares identicos"?

"Tengo trillizos gemelares identicos en uno de mis clases." ??

Perikles April 14, 2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by laepelba (Post 79588)
Anyway - if you are talking about non-identical triplets, it would be "trillizos", but if they're identical you would say "trillizos gemelares identicos"?

Well, that was the point of my post, because that is what somebody Spanish says when reporting here, though technically it is tautologous.

AngelicaDeAlquezar April 14, 2010 11:38 AM

@Lou Ann: colloquial speech would just say "trillizos". The context will tell that they're identical to one another. :)

laepelba April 14, 2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar (Post 79600)
@Lou Ann: colloquial speech would just say "trillizos". The context will tell that they're identical to one another. :)

Thanks. By the way - this group of hermanas is from Guadalajara. :)

AngelicaDeAlquezar April 14, 2010 12:22 PM

It will be "trillizas" then. :D

laepelba April 14, 2010 02:22 PM

DOH! I knew that, didn't I? :)

Tomisimo April 19, 2010 08:21 AM

Another term for "twins" is "cuates" (used only in Mexico, as far as I know)

AngelicaDeAlquezar April 19, 2010 12:20 PM

David is right. Although we don't make much difference between "mellizos" and "gemelos", "cuates" is almost exclusively used for non-identical twins. :)


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