Mismo ... propia

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

Shoot! I left thee without! Who art thou?

pjt, perikles... is that correct?

Yes - this is simply the familiar form of 2nd singular personal pronoun. The 'you' form was originally only the 2nd plural, and used as the polite form. Now used in BrE for 2nd sing. and plural, but there are dialects in England where thee and thou are still used (Yorkshire, for example, where I grew up).

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Yes - this is simply the familiar form of 2nd singular personal pronoun. The 'you' form was originally only the 2nd plural, and used as the polite form. Now used in BrE for 2nd sing. and plural, but there are dialects in England where thee and thou are still used (Yorkshire, for example, where I grew up).

WOW you're old!

And thanks for the information. Which I did not know.

[irmamar]

I had this sonnet in an exam:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate
...

(I still remember)

Y no, vos no se utiliza ya en España, es como el "thou" inglés. Hay que conocerlo si lees literatura con unos años ya, pero no se usa (excepto Perikles ). Pero vosotros sí se usa, y mucho.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I had this sonnet in an exam:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate
...

(I still remember)

Y no, vos no se utiliza ya en España, es como el "thou" inglés. Hay que conocerlo si lees literatura con unos años ya, pero no se usa (excepto Perikles ). Pero vosotros sí se usa, y mucho.

Que raro. nosotros cambiamos el vos por usted y vosotros por ustedes. Pero igual las cosas no se simplificaron...

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by chileno

Que raro. nosotros cambiamos el vos por usted y vosotros por ustedes. Pero igual las cosas no se simplificaron...

La cuestión es liarla, como siempre

De hecho vosotros viene del vos + otros. Es decir, estaba el interlocutor (vos) y alguien más (los otros).

Usted también viene del tratamiento antiguo de "vuestra merced" y ustedes de "vuestras mercedes".

[chileno]

Originally Posted by irmamar

La cuestión es liarla, como siempre

Claro. Si hay que tomar chocolate, tiene que ser espeso.

Originally Posted by irmamar

De hecho vosotros viene del vos + otros. Es decir, estaba el interlocutor (vos) y alguien más (los otros).

Usted también viene del tratamiento antiguo de "vuestra merced" y ustedes de "vuestras mercedes".

Lo que su merce' diga.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Te premio con el hilo del mes

Agreed. How funny that I thought this was going to be a simple question with a simple answer. THANKS to Irmamar for taking it in a better direction!!!

[Rusty]

The word ti (last column) never takes an accent, because it won't be confused with another word. The reason mi has two different spellings (with and without the accent) is because the two pronouns are used differently.

The table above could be refined a tad. The column marked Possessives I contains possessive adjectives (also called possessive determiners). The column marked Possessives II contains possessive pronouns (and these are also the 'poetic' form of the possessive adjective). The column marked XXXXXX contains prepositional pronouns (used as objects of a preposition). That column omits sí in the 3rd person, as well as ello. You should also note the special treatment given to the preposition con in that column: conmigo, contigo, con él, ella, usted, ello & consigo, con nosotros, con vosotros, con ellos, ellas, ustedes

There are gender-specific endings (nosotras, vosotras, mío/mía, tuyo/tuya, etc.).

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Rusty

The word ti (last column) never takes an accent, because it won't be confused with another word. The reason mi has two different spellings (with and without the accent) is because the two pronouns are used differently.

The table above could be refined a tad. The column marked Possessives I contains possessive adjectives (also called possessive determiners). The column marked Possessives II contains possessive pronouns (and these are also the 'poetic' form of the possessive adjective). The column marked XXXXXX contains prepositional pronouns (used as objects of a preposition). That column omits sí in the 3rd person, as well as ello. You should also note the special treatment given to the preposition con in that column: conmigo, contigo, con él, ella, usted, ello & consigo, con nosotros, con vosotros, con ellos, ellas, ustedes

There are gender-specific endings (nosotras, vosotras, mío/mía, tuyo/tuya, etc.).

I did it that way, because I honestly just "remember" those names, and badly, as you can see.

On the other hand, nobody "needs" to know the name in order to help themselves in getting the language.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

On the other hand, nobody "needs" to know the name in order to help themselves in getting the language.

Actually, I do. It's the way my mind works, and I can't help it. Taxonomy rules.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Actually, I do. It's the way my mind works, and I can't help it. Taxonomy rules.

That's is what you think you need, not that you actually would need.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

That's is what you think you need, not that you actually would need.

But you don't know my history. True, I wouldn't need it strictly for learning Spanish, but that is only part of what I do, and in context I do need it.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

But you don't know my history. True, I wouldn't need it strictly for learning Spanish, but that is only part of what I do, and in context I do need it.

You mean professionally?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by chileno

You mean professionally?

No, I'm an amateur multilingual hermit. I was a scientist, but turned my interests to languages, so I tend to view them from a logical standpoint where I need to be able to identify and label everything.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Perikles

No, I'm an amateur multilingual hermit. I was a scientist, but turned my interests to languages, so I tend to view them from a logical standpoint where I need to be able to identify and label everything.

A "classificator" by nature...

(classifier, I know)