Grotesque / grotesco

[poli]

Originally Posted by Gemma

Alfonso, Poli didn't get your joke because he's real handsome and it never crossed his mind you could be talking about him. Have you already forgotten he looks like George Clooney?
Poli, Elaina, I agree with you. But I would like to add that I think beauty is almost totally subjective. I'm sure Rusty can guide everybody to the idiom page to find an expression to illustrate this:Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And if it's not there yet, it will be in a few hours. That's how efficient he is.(Here I go again )

I agree with the phrase, but there is a paradox in beauty. For example:
Your avatar, even better: the Taj Mahal, Rita Hayworth, Orchids. I really
think there is such a thing as nonsubjective beauty

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

--furvently bouncing from the forum to work duties when someone enters my office interrupting my concentration.

Thanks a lot for your help! Don't allow people interrupt your concentration! What do they think they are? Who do they think you are?

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by Gemma

Alfonso, Poli didn't get your joke because he's real handsome...

I agree with you. Beauty is totally subjective.

But it's so deep inside our minds that we don't even realise that. Nevertheless, it changes little by little. If you had closed your closet in the early 80's and you opened it now, you would be shocked by those things you thought they were beautiful very few time ago.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Gemma

Alfonso, Poli didn't get your joke because he's real handsome and it never crossed his mind you could be talking about him. Have you already forgotten he looks like George Clooney?
Poli, Elaina, I agree with you. But I would like to add that I think beauty is almost totally subjective. I'm sure Rusty can guide everybody to the idiom page to find an expression to illustrate this:Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And if it's not there yet, it will be in a few hours. That's how efficient he is.(Here I go again )

Gemma, you added the saying a long time ago!
However, I just expanded upon it.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

You have been asking good questions Elaina. I think that society plays
a role in how we see beauty (as in fashion), but society only has a small role. There are lots of factors.

What are the other factors but society

[Jane]

What are the other factors besides society?
Not that I agree that society should dictate or decide what we consider as beauty.

[poli]

Originally Posted by Jane

What are the other factors besides society?
Not that I agree that society should dictate or decide what we consider as beauty.

As I mentioned before, I believe society plays a role in our perception of
beauty (as in style and fashion) but only partly so . Our perception of beauty is influenced by nature. I believe that for the large part, esthetics are dictated by nature much the way gravity is the basis of law.(you drop somethng if falls. Law number one). I think the beauty contained in nature (flowers, mountains, rivers) (the sweetness that brings about the engendering of the flowers) cannot be denied. The beauty in flowers and flower buds and fruit runs parallel to the beauty we see in animals including humans. I think in plants and animals, beauty is nature's trick to get us to procreate. I hope I'm getting my point accross. I believe that there is some beauty that is not subjective.
I also think that what is considered ugly is more the decision of society than what is beautiful.

[María José]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Gemma, you added the saying a long time ago!
However, I just expanded upon it.

I did?

[María José]

Originally Posted by poli

No, your mordent humor translates. I interpreted it incorrectly. A lot of times I'm reading quickly --furvently bouncing from the forum to work duties when someone enters my office interrupting my concentration.

PS I changed you last sentence because it didn't make sense, but I embellished your joke in the last sentence making it even fleshier than it was.

You know, I got this image of you as Chandler from Friends smoking in his office cubicle and hiding the cigarette in his drawer, then spraying air freshener all around him.
I think your fear of the boss made you misspell fervently...

[Elaina]

I do believe that society plays a big role on how we view ourselves and others.

Children are predisposed to look at all the "pretty" characters in the Disney movies......aside from the big blue ogre (whose name escapes me), there are no "beasts" (Beauty and the Beast). Then all the "nice" kids in their movies or TV programs that have perfect families, perfect friends and go to perfect schools.

Kids are subjected to ridicule and abuse by their peers in school because of their social standing, physical appearance and clothes they wear.

Bulimia and Anorexia are so prevalent in our teens that it is sad to see when they become ill because of these other illnesses. They want to look like a model or at least like the teens in the movies and billboards.

As adults, obesity is a big problem along with addictions. Many television shows and programs talk about obesity in America. Obese people are targeted because of their weight.....some people can look "grotesque"......The move nowadays is the "organic" diet. Have any of you thought about the cost of buying organic food? Poor people would rather pay their rent or mortgage and other necessities than buy expensive food. Because of this, they eat the "wrong" types of food, gain weight and become the targets of ridicule. Depression is big amongst people that are overweight. We as a society are quick to point the finger and laugh at these people.

I don't think there is a person alive that can honestly say, I want to be ugly, I want to be fat, I want to look grotesque, I want to be the target of "fat" jokes, I want to be an alcoholic or a drug addict, etc.

I see so much pain and struggle in our "poor" patients and feel so helpless that it is depressing at times.

As a society, we can learn to sympathize and empathize. We can learn to be more tolerant and not look down on people because they don't look pretty or smart or healthy.........

As we are born we are all dealt a poker hand.......some of us were dealt a straight flush and others not even a pair.

Thanks for allowing me to vent this beautiful morning!

[sosia]

hummmmhhhmmm. Elaina, you're right. (as always ). But nobody hears you....... why?

[María José]

Originally Posted by Elaina

I do believe that society plays a big role on how we view ourselves and others.

Children are predisposed to look at all the "pretty" characters in the Disney movies......aside from the big blue ogre (whose name escapes me), there are no "beasts" (Beauty and the Beast). Then all the "nice" kids in their movies or TV programs that have perfect families, perfect friends and go to perfect schools.

Kids are subjected to ridicule and abuse by their peers in school because of their social standing, physical appearance and clothes they wear.

Bulimia and Anorexia are so prevalent in our teens that it is sad to see when they become ill because of these other illnesses. They want to look like a model or at least like the teens in the movies and billboards.

As adults, obesity is a big problem along with addictions. Many television shows and programs talk about obesity in America. Obese people are targeted because of their weight.....some people can look "grotesque"......The move nowadays is the "organic" diet. Have any of you thought about the cost of buying organic food? Poor people would rather pay their rent or mortgage and other necessities than buy expensive food. Because of this, they eat the "wrong" types of food, gain weight and become the targets of ridicule. Depression is big amongst people that are overweight. We as a society are quick to point the finger and laugh at these people.

I don't think there is a person alive that can honestly say, I want to be ugly, I want to be fat, I want to look grotesque, I want to be the target of "fat" jokes, I want to be an alcoholic or a drug addict, etc.

I see so much pain and struggle in our "poor" patients and feel so helpless that it is depressing at times.

As a society, we can learn to sympathize and empathize. We can learn to be more tolerant and not look down on people because they don't look pretty or smart or healthy.........

As we are born we are all dealt a poker hand.......some of us were dealt a straight flush and others not even a pair.

Thanks for allowing me to vent this beautiful morning!

Beautifully said, Elaina. Thanks for sharing. I have always wondered why some people are given all the beauty, health, money... and others get nothing.But I've come to realize that some of those who have a lot less than I do (I'm not implying I'm rich and beautiful, but I have enough to live a decent life) are a lot happier than I am.
A couple of days ago I read this article in one of my mags about Heath Ledger and how he'll probably become a legend like Marylin and James Dean.
And I wonder, how could he have been so unhappy when he had it all? Maybe because he didn't...he didn't have what really matters, whatever that is. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.
Take care. You do a great job. You make a difference. But I guess it's difficult not to be depressed at times.

[poli]

La riguesa y belleza no están pegadas desde el nacimiento como gemelos siameses -- ni la obesidad, pero entiendo lo que dices, Elaina. Leí que en Los Angeles, una ciudad famosa for su comunidad glamorosa (esa palabra no existe in español ¿verdad?) y bella están prohibiendo más restaurantes de comida chatarra en en los vecindarios más pobres con la idea que la comida rápida está engordando y enfermando la comunidad. En ves de esto la ciudad está animando mercados de granja abrir alli (seguro que van a tener mucho exito en la venta donuts caseras)

En Nueva York y Chicago habian prohibido el uso del las mantecas hidrogenadas en todos sus restaurantes y pastelrías con la idea que esa prohibición mejorá la salud cardiaca de la comunidad. Leí que en lugar
de esas mantecas se usa manteca de coco y palmera mesclado
con mantequilla. Creo que esas mantecas son igualmente dañinas.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

La riqueza y la belleza no están pegadas desde el nacimiento como gemelos siameses -- ni la obesidad, pero entiendo lo que dices, Elaina. Leí que en Los Angeles, una ciudad famosa for su comunidad glamurosa (esa palabra no existe en español ¿verdad?) y bella han prohibido abrir nuevos restaurantes de comida chatarra en los vecindarios más pobres con la idea de que la comida rápida está engordando y enfermando a la comunidad. En vez de esto la ciudad está fomentando la creación de mercados de granja (seguro que van a tener mucho éxito en la venta de donuts caseros)

En Nueva York y Chicago habían prohibido el uso de las mantecas hidrogenadas en todos sus restaurantes y pastelerías con la idea de que esa prohibición mejoraría la salud cardíaca de la gente. Leí que en lugar
de esas mantecas se usa manteca de coco y palmera mezclada
con mantequilla. Creo que esas mantecas son igualmente dañinas.

It's only a brushing up. Everything can be really well understood. And it's very interesting.

We don't use comunidad with the sense of people very often. That's why I changed it once.

[Alfonso]

I forgot to tell you, Poli, that there exists glamur, glamuroso, glamurosa in Spanish, imported from French.

[poli]

Alfonso,
Thanks as always for your corrections and informantion.