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Old February 06, 2009, 01:11 PM
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Question Pluscuamperfecto or imperfecto? HELP

I've got a question about that sentence :

1) Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya habían estado muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí.

2)Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya estaban muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí.

Im wondering which form is correct? Ive always thought that the best would be "había estado muertos" in my opinion....but well, i cant explain it to myself well...so i would be greatful if someone could explain it to me well.
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Old February 06, 2009, 01:14 PM
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I would use ya estaban muertos.
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Old February 06, 2009, 01:20 PM
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yeah...but why?
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Old February 06, 2009, 01:27 PM
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I would use the first if there were a frequency or time adverb. Otherwise, it sounds better to just state that they were already dead.
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Yes, I would use the second option because, it sound more correct and more well wrote, then if you find a Why? I can telling you, what the second chose sound better because the spelling is better at Spanish at least at my Spanish, I have understood, I must use the second chose not the first chose.
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thanks, but anyway..i still have doubts....so what about that sentence " Sacó la pistola y se había matado antes la policía llegó" so what about that one? can i use here "había matado"? or better is to use "mató " ? i understood that this Pluscuamperfecto i should use if one situation has happened before an other.

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No, you must use the Saco la pistola y ya se habia matado antes de que llegara la policia.


It sound better.
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fine...yes, there i should have put el subjuntivo.. and for example if there was soemthing like that "Cuando volvió a su pueblo sus hijos ya habían sido maduros?" can be like that? :P
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How about:

Cuando volvió a su pueblo, descubrió que su mujer y sus hijos habían muerto cuando una bomba cayó allí.
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i dont get it...i have a book here which tells me that Pluscuamperfecto is used to expres situations already ended , which happened before an other situation in the past...if thats the rule...that what i wrote ...Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya habían estado muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí. ...should be correct 8S
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Note the difference between habían estado muertos and habían muertos.
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David, I will do a bit correct in your post.


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How about:

Cuando volvió a su pueblo, descubrió que su mujer y sus hijos ya habían MUERTO cuando una bomba cayó allí.
I hope you understand the changes, I did to your post.

Note: In the word muerto you don't need use him in plural only in singular.
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fine...yes, there i should have put el subjuntivo.. and for example if there was soemthing like that "Cuando volvió a su pueblo sus hijos ya habían sido maduros?" can be like that? :P

Yes that chose would can to be used
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What about using "Quedar muerto"? Cuando volvió a su pueblo, descubrió su mujer y sus hijos han quedado muerto cuando una bomba cayó.

I think that works, too.
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Using quedarse muertos would work. Here is how I would say that:
... descubrió que su mujer y sus hijos se han quedado muertos por una bomba.
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Hi agatita,

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I've got a question about that sentence :

1) Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya habían estado muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí.

2)Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya estaban muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí.

Im wondering which form is correct? Ive always thought that the best would be "había estado muertos" in my opinion....but well, i cant explain it to myself well...so i would be greatful if someone could explain it to me well.
Although I do not remember my grammar, I know how to compose. Same thing must happens to most of you guys. And I mean most Americans, not necessarily in this board. ;->

Consider:

When he came back to the city, his wife and his children had been dead by a bomb...

Now what about:

When he came back to the city, his wife and his children had been dead for awhile, by a bomb...

Same thing happens in spanish. :-)

Now, it sounds better your second option up there. :-)

Remember to use the English you know best, and then try to compose in spanish. Same thing goes for us foreigners...

Hernán.
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I've got a question about that sentence :Well , look my poinf of view is:

1) Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya habían estado muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí., Aqui se puede ver que estas hablando del tiempo, te das una idea de cuanto tiempo ellos Ya estuvieron alli.

2)Cuando volvió a su pueblo su mujer y sus hijos ya estaban muertos por una bomba que había caído ahí. Aqui el tiempo se mira que estas hablando mas del presente. quiered decir que no paso mas de una semana o mes, so on..

so, I think both are well. but can use it as you prefer and with a sense in the senteces. *_* ok
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You have mistakes in the phrase, then I will try to correcting you.


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What about using "Quedar muerto"? Cuando volvió a su pueblo, descubrió que su mujer y sus hijos ya habian muerto cuando una bomba cayó.

I think that works, too.
Yes, it would can work, anyhow you need to write the sentence in past.
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Gracias a todos ya lo pillo :P jeje , intentraré practicar cada día para que con tiempo aprenda más y más y para que no haga errores así.
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