Evangelinas cambiadas

[Perikles]

Todo el mundo en la región conocía la historia de las Evangelinas cambiadas y no faltaría quien fuera con el chisme donde las muchachas.

In a story about 2 girls swapped at birth by mistake. The sense seems clear, but I can't see how quien fuera or donde work. Is donde a preposition here, and Chilean Spanish? (Isabel Allende)

[Ambarina]

Fuera from ir = would go
donde = en el lugar de

It's common in everyday language to use "person" for "place" using "donde" meaning the place where that person is, e.g. Juan, vete donde la vecina por azucar; Compré el pan donde Loli.

It's "adverbio relativo de lugar" a per RAE. Had to look it up. Couldn't remember the terminology.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by Ambarina

Fuera from ir = would go
donde = en el lugar de

It's common in everyday language to use "person" for "place" using "donde" meaning the place where that person is, e.g. Juan, vete donde la vecina por azucar; Compré el pan donde Loli.

It's "adverbio relativo de lugar" a per RAE. Had to look it up. Couldn't remember the terminology.

Many thanks for that. Once you assume that fuera is from ser, you can't make sense of it. What kind of language is it that has identical forms for ir and ser ?

And the donde thing is new to me as well.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Many thanks for that. Once you assume that fuera is from ser, you can't make sense of it. What kind of language is it that has identical forms for ir and ser ?

And the donde thing is new to me as well.

What kind of language is yours that has identical forms for ser and estar and different ones for hacer?

¿Dónde has ido de vacaciones? Is it new to you?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

What kind of language is yours that has identical forms for ser and estar and different ones for hacer?

¿Dónde has ido de vacaciones? Is it new to you?

Believe it or not, I've heard ¿Dónde has ido de vacaciones? (even adónde) But if you treat donde as a conjunction, then you require a finite verb after it to make sense. In the above it looks as if a verb is ellipsed (estar?)

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Believe it or not, I've heard ¿Dónde has ido de vacaciones? (even adónde) But if you treat donde as a conjunction, then you require a finite verb after it to make sense. In the above it looks as if a verb is ellipsed (estar?)

Because "dónde" is also and "adverbio", but interrogative (just the same as como/cómo, quien/quién, etc.). Another name is "pronombre relativo".

¿Dónde has ido de vacaciones?
Donde a ti no te importa.

I understand your confusion, of course

[bobjenkins]

A mi también me confundía porque había asumido que el verbo fue SER

[irmamar]

Si yo fuera tú, me iría fuera. Pero aunque me fuera fuera no sería tú.

Un juego de palabras tonto.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

A mi también me confundía porque había asumido que el verbo fue SER

It's nice to know I'm not the only one.

Originally Posted by irmamar

Because "dónde" is also and "adverbio", but interrogative (just the same as como/cómo, quien/quién, etc.). Another name is "pronombre relativo".

I understand the interrogative adverb, but I disagree that the relative pronoun is the same. Relative pronouns in English are who, whom, which, whose, and that. If dónde is an adverb, then (donde in my original sentence) it qualifies fuera, so that donde las muchachas surely has to be with an ellipsed verb, estar.

Originally Posted by irmamar

Si yo fuera tú, me iría fuera. Pero aunque me fuera fuera no sería tú.

Un juego de palabras tonto.

juego de palabras: sinapsia o sintagma

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Si yo fuera tú, me iría fuera. Pero aunque me fuera fuera no sería tú.

Un juego de palabras tonto.

Todavía estás hablando en español!?!

If I were you, I would go. But although I went outside I wouldn´t be you

No lo entiendo en inglés ni español

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Todavía estás hablando en español!?!

If I were you, I would go. But although I went outside I wouldn´t be you

No lo entiendo en inglés ni español

aunque + subj. = even if, not although: even if I were to go outside ...

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

It's nice to know I'm not the only one.

I understand the interrogative adverb, but I disagree that the relative pronoun is the same. Relative pronouns in English are who, whom, which, whose, and that. If dónde is an adverb, then (donde in my original sentence) it qualifies fuera, so that donde las muchachas surely has to be with an ellipsed verb, estar.

juego de palabras: sinapsia o sintagma

And "where"?

http://roble.pntic.mec.es/acid0002/i..._relativos.htm



I'd say "sinapsia"

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

Todavía estás hablando en español!?!

If I were you, I would go. But although I went outside I wouldn´t be you

No lo entiendo en inglés ni español

I would "go out"?

Did I say that it was "tonto"?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

And "where"?

Where:

adverb: ¿de dónde eres?

relative pronoun: la casa donde nació

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

aunque + subj. = even if, not although: even if I were to go outside ...

Thanks, that's good to know (or to remember).

Originally Posted by Perikles

Where:

adverb: ¿de dónde eres?

relative pronoun: la casa donde nació

just on the contrary.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Todo el mundo en la región conocía la historia de las Evangelinas cambiadas y no faltaría quien fuera con el chisme donde las muchachas.

Pues después de leerlo cuatro o cinco veces, creo que lo entiendo. "Había muchas personas dispuestas a contar la historia a las muchachas", ¿no? Sin tener referente para "las muchachas" es demasiado fácil suponer que las Evangelinas lo son.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by Perikles

aunque + subj. = even if, not although: even if I were to go outside ...

GRacias aunque lo estudia diez millones horas el sunjuntivo me es difícil

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by pjt33

Pues después de leerlo cuatro o cinco veces, creo que lo entiendo. "Había muchas personas dispuestas a contar la historia a las muchachas", ¿no? Sin tener referente para "las muchachas" es demasiado fácil suponer que las Evangelinas lo son.

True

Originally Posted by bobjenkins

GRacias aunque lo estudia diez millones horas el sunjuntivo me es difícil

Manifestly true.

Aunque lo estudiara diez milliones horas el subjunctivo me quedaría difícil. ??

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by perikles

true

manifestly true. :d

aunque lo estudiara diez milliones de horas el subjunctivo me resultaría difícil. ??

:d