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Ash (tree)


JPablo April 08, 2012 08:35 PM

Ash (tree)
 
Oxford bilingual gives me "fresno"
Cambridge gives "cedro"
These are two different trees... at least in my village.

Random House gives,
ash 1. any of various trees of the genus Fraxinus, of the olive family, esp. F. excelsior, of Europe and Asia, or F. americana (white ash), of North America, having opposite, pinnate leaves and purplish flowers in small clusters.

So, I'd think "fresno" (Fraxinus excelsior) is the correct translation, given that "cedro" (Cedrus libani) does not fit the taxonomy...

However, being an ignorant on the matter, I submit my question, hoping someone can shed some additional (fully qualified) light...

Perikles April 09, 2012 02:29 AM

I'm not very qualified, but ash and cedar are very different trees. Ash is fresno, and certainly not cedro. Cambridge got it very wrong.

chileno April 09, 2012 07:29 AM

I know that cedro = cedar.

Elaina April 09, 2012 07:57 AM

Agree....
--Cedar = cedro
--Ash=== fresno

;)

JPablo April 09, 2012 04:38 PM

Well, thank you all, for your fully qualified assessments on this botanical issue... :D

Glen April 12, 2012 09:32 PM

There is a proverb associated with the ash tree and how soon it sprouts leaves in the spring. Probably too lengthy to post in the Dictionary section, so here goes.

If the ash comes out before the oak it will be a summer of dust and smoke, but if the oak comes out before the ash, it will be a summer of wet and splash.

It may or may not be true. I can never think to look until after they have both already sprouted. Maybe next year!

JPablo April 13, 2012 12:30 AM

Ha!
Well, thank you, Glen... (Let me know next year if you confirm it to be true!!) :D

Perikles April 13, 2012 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen (Post 123878)
There is a proverb associated with the ash tree and how soon it sprouts leaves in the spring. Probably too lengthy to post in the Dictionary section, so here goes.

If the ash comes out before the oak it will be a summer of dust and smoke, but if the oak comes out before the ash, it will be a summer of wet and splash.

It may or may not be true. I can never think to look until after they have both already sprouted. Maybe next year!

I know it as: Ash before Oak, we're in for a soak, Oak before Ash, we're in for a splash. I lived on a farm with plenty of ash and oak trees, and because the weather pattern was important, I monitored this over about 10 years. The trouble is that the time when they spout leaves depends very much on the age of the tree and how exposed they are. I found absolutely no correlation at all between overall weather in summer and tree sprouting. The more mature oak trees were always the last ones to sprout anyway.

aleCcowaN April 13, 2012 07:26 AM

Very interesting. Now that you mentioned it, I noticed that fresnos (Fraxinus Americana) in our streets, 46% of 370,000 trees in Autonomous City of Buenos Aires (like D.F. in Mexico and D.C. in US), sprout lately (a light bulb turned on) when weather is dry during August and September, while other species seem to sprout about the same time. I've always been intrigued by that and failed to get the pattern. Thank to you, I know now.

JPablo April 14, 2012 06:13 PM

Well, thank you all. (Interesting how some old saws rhyme very well, but not always turn to be factual...)


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