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Giro


ROBINDESBOIS July 11, 2009 08:38 AM

Giro
 
Un giro en lingüística es una frase que cambia de significado, la verdad es que no sé explicarlo muy bien. Sabría alguien el equivalente de giro en Inglés. Podría ser algo así como Turn of Phrase.?

chileno July 11, 2009 09:03 AM

¿Como en juego de palabras? ¿Lo que los mexicanos le llaman albur?

ROBINDESBOIS July 11, 2009 10:39 AM

Y cómo se dice en Inglés?

Tomisimo July 11, 2009 11:11 AM

giro lingüístico
expression
turn of phrase
figure of speech
idiomatic phrase
idiomatic expression

Rusty July 12, 2009 08:26 PM

Un albur is a double entendre (a phrase with a double meaning) in English.

chileno July 13, 2009 06:11 AM

Play of words? :)

bobjenkins July 13, 2009 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 41841)
Play of words? :)

He visto play of words y play on words usado en inglés:D

chileno July 13, 2009 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobjenkins (Post 41842)
He visto play of words y play on words usado en inglés:D

Which one is the correct one?

bobjenkins July 13, 2009 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 41844)
Which one is the correct one?

No estoy seguro de eso :thinking: Ambas frases suenan correctas a mí, quizás Rusty puede ayudarnos

Cuando busco en google, la frase "play on words" me da más páginas

ROBINDESBOIS January 26, 2012 06:34 AM

You have to use a turn of phrase.
Is that correct?

Rusty January 26, 2012 09:45 AM

'A turn of phrase' is correctly used, as far as phrasing goes.
The other suggestions given above can also be translations of 'giro lingüistico'.

To answer a question posed earlier in this thread, 'a play on words' is the more-commonly used phrase, but both 'a play on words' and 'a play of words' are correct phrases.

Awaken January 27, 2012 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chileno (Post 41844)
Which one is the correct one?

Play on words is the common use in the US.

chileno January 27, 2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awaken (Post 121270)
Play on words is the common use in the US.

I guess I have heard both versions in the US.

Thanks.

ROBINDESBOIS January 27, 2012 03:24 PM

A play on words is different to a turn of phrase, at least in Spanish. And my question was if it is possible to ask sb to use a turn of phrase or to look for a turn of phrase because there's no equivalent in English.

JPablo January 27, 2012 10:33 PM

Mmmmh...
I'd think that "expression" or "turn of phrase" would be the best option. I.e., could you use a different "expression" or a different turn of phrase?

Moliner differentiates "giro" from "modismo" in that "giro" is not an invariable expression made with fixed elements, but a way to construct the sentence applicable to multiple cases.

DRAE gives,
giro 3. m. Tratándose del lenguaje o estilo, estructura especial de la frase, o manera de estar ordenadas las palabras para expresar un concepto.

So, one could say that "el entrenador habla castellano, pero usa muchos giros portugueses"

Oxford gives for "turn of phrase"
26 Character, style; esp. style of language; a variation or particular manner of linguistic expression, esp. for effect. Freq. in turn of phrase.

phrase
1 Manner or style of expression, esp. that characteristic of a language, author, work, etc.; phraseology, language.

1 A. W. WARD The supreme felicity of phrase in which he has no equal.B. FOSTER A very typically American turn of phrase.


I thought about "twist" but probably, besides what I say above, "phraseology" or even "style of expression" may work in your context.

I think of things like "hablaba un castellano correcto, aunque a veces usaba algunos giros raros que revelaban un origen extranjero..." My :twocents:


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