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Old June 25, 2015, 07:12 AM
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This is an extract from a film

A Sandoval no lo mató Gómez.

I understand it means that Gómez did not kill Sandoval.

I expect to see subject pronouns come after the verb but subject nouns to come before the verb making Sandoval the subject. Obviously this rule does not seem to work here.
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The preposition "a" sorts it all out.

Just suppress the preposition and a native speaker won't be able to parse the sentence: "Sandoval no lo mató Gómez" would be contrued as "... a Gómez". Only a pause and a telegraphic style can do without the preposition, as in "Sandoval. No lo mató Gómez" which sounds a bit artificial.
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Hi Stu,

The preposition "a" before "Sandoval" indicates he cannot be the subject, but the DO. This is the explanation:

Gómez no mató a Sandoval => (Changing the order) *A Sandoval no mató Gómez*.

However, when the DO is placed before the verb, it's mandatory a duplication of acusative pronouns: lo/la/los/las.


A Sandoval no lo (<==singular male) mató Gómez.

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The preposition "a" sorts it all out.

Just suppress the preposition and a native speaker won't be able to parse the sentence: "Sandoval no lo mató Gómez" would be contrued as "... a Gómez". Only a pause and a telegraphic style can do without the preposition, as in "Sandoval. No lo mató Gómez" which sounds a bit artificial.
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Hi Stu,

The preposition "a" before "Sandoval" indicates he cannot be the subject, but the DO. This is the explanation:

Gómez no mató a Sandoval => (Changing the order) *A Sandoval no mató Gómez*.

However, when the DO is placed before the verb, it's mandatory a duplication of acusative pronouns: lo/la/los/las.


A Sandoval no lo (<==singular male) mató Gómez.

A pleasure.

Thank you - Great that is clear and clears up my confusion.
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