Abortion

[Jessica]

I am starting yet another popular debate.

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

lock if this is not allowed...


I am 100% pro-choice. It is the woman's choice 100% because it's her body. it's not murder because the so called "baby" isn't even a human being yet, unless the woman gets it when it's nearly fully developed.

[JPablo]

I am "pro-education".
A body is a body.
A being is a being.
I am pro-life too, but there are situations.
With the amount of contraceptive methods there are nowadays, if someone becomes pregnant unwillingly (or in case of violations) there are medical reasons to "abort". Otherwise, if each person was educated and knew what he/she was doing, the "problem" wouldn't exist.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by JPablo

I am "pro-education".
A body is a body.
A being is a being.
I am pro-life too, but there are situations.
With the amount of contraceptive methods there are nowadays, if someone becomes pregnant unwillingly (or in case of violations) there are medical reasons to "abort". Otherwise, if each person was educated and knew what he/she was doing, the "problem" wouldn't exist.

Rape. "Violation" significa más "infringimiento".

[JPablo]

Ah, thank you...
(in a common register, right?)
Because Random House gives 5. sexual molestion, esp. rape.
And Oxford shorter also gives "violate: assault sexually; rape."
I take then that while "violation" can be understood in context, it is safer to use "rape".

[CrOtALiTo]

Really your thread is something special for the word.

I vote for the choice and I know everyone have the control over their body, I know that kind to experiments and new technology is for the save other life, I believe anyone have rights over a person.

[pjt33]

Originally Posted by JPablo

Ah, thank you...
(in a common register, right?)
Because Random House gives 5. sexual molestion, esp. rape.
And Oxford shorter also gives "violate: assault sexually; rape."
I take then that while "violation" can be understood in context, it is safer to use "rape".

I don't think that's at all common as a bare noun. "Sexual violation" as a noun phrase, yes.

[JPablo]

Thank you, Pjt33. Make sense.

[Chris]

I'm pro life. I believe that life begins at conception. I understand that there are medical reasons as in either one of these people are going to die or both. In my opinion the woman CHOSE when she had intercourse, and aborting a living child is no different than going to a play ground and blowing the kid's brains out with a revolver. It is murder. It seems that people are choosing to abort rather than simply using contraceptives.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm pro life. I believe that life begins at conception. I understand that there are medical reasons as in either one of these people are going to die or both. In my opinion the woman CHOSE when she had intercourse, and aborting a living child is no different than going to a play ground and blowing the kid's brains out with a revolver. It is murder. It seems that people are choosing to abort rather than simply using contraceptives.

but no one should be able to decide what a woman should do with their body.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'm pro life. I believe that life begins at conception. I understand that there are medical reasons as in either one of these people are going to die or both. In my opinion the woman CHOSE when she had intercourse, and aborting a living child is no different than going to a play ground and blowing the kid's brains out with a revolver. It is murder. It seems that people are choosing to abort rather than simply using contraceptives.

Hello.

I'm agree with your commentary about it.
Because the pro life and the conception are quite the same, the life is definite for the people and the modern medicine, I don't know my bigger son has a illness named diabetes kind one, although he has the alternative about the implantation mother cells, and my other younger son would can has the opportunity to donate him a little of his cells, because himself has the chance to give him a new life, although that kind to thread is even a test for the new science.

I know it, the people are worrier for the people who are dying all the days for some kind of illness in the world, and they want to give a great advance in the currently medicine, for the beginning of all this thread is if you are agree with the kill other life although the person already been made of artificial way, it's doesn't matter, finally it's a life, and well the medicine finally will kills other life for gives a new organ or save the life of someone.

Then I'm upset in order that I need to understand the really of the life.
I'm don't agree with the fact of have to kill a life a little life for give more life and long life to other person, finally the person illness has lived a short or long time, now it's time of the new life.

Please it was my humble commentary.

[Jessica]

the "baby" in the woman is not even a human being.

[JPablo]

Originally Posted by Jessica

the "baby" in the woman is not even a human being.

This argument, Jessica, doesn't seem to me really valid.
Who says that "the baby" is not a human being?
What is it then, a tomato?

[Jessica]

well, it isn't. it's just a clump of cells.

[sosia]

Jessica, it's not so easy.
In wich exactly instant the clump of cells is really a baby?
Take the moment you want an then take 2 minute less, ant then..., and then.....

[laepelba]

Indeed ... if it is a clump of cells, then why do they do in-vitro surgery? And how is it that babies are born premature? Or by Cesarean Section? And why are there laws that say that to murder a pregnant woman is considered double murder? Hmmm....

[Elaina]

Hey all!

Interesting debate going on.

I believe, as JPablo that education is the key component. No one should tell a woman what to do with her body but when that body houses another human being and you intentionally kill it, then I see it as murder. If anything, have the baby and give it up for adoption. There are so many childless couples that would welcome a child.

There are so many forms of contraception that there is no reason why a person should have an unwanted pregnancy unless the woman was raped. Then that is a different story.

On the other hand, if a man wants to have sex with his girlfriend or friend or whatever and wants to avoid having the responsibility of supporting a child and if he is not really interested in becoming father just yet, then he should carry condoms with him at all times. Some clinics even give them out for free.

I think that if you are going to have sex, then have sex responsibly.

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[Jessica]

well maybe it isn't a clump of cells but I don't see it as murder until the baby is actually fully developed and will soon be born....

[laepelba]

Do you equate "fully developed" to "soon be born"? Do you mean full term? What about premature babies?

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Jessica

the "baby" in the woman is not even a human being.

Jessica.

I'm sorry for tell you this.

But the life starts when the women leaves pregnant.
Always although you have only 1 pregnancy week the baby and the life has already started.

You're a wrong.

[Dale]

Originally Posted by Jessica

I am starting yet another popular debate.
Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
lock if this is not allowed...
I am 100% pro-choice. It is the woman's choice 100% because it's her body. it's not murder because the so called "baby" isn't even a human being yet, unless the woman gets it when it's nearly fully developed.

Oh my. You are a brave girl to start this one. I also believe in the path of education. With education the problem may be lessened but will not likely be eliminated. I am also 100% pro-choice. Non of us have the right to tell the woman what she must do with her own body. If she is a host for what is essentially a parasite, then it is her choice to continue or abort. If the rest of us want to demand that we have control over her situation then perhaps the woman should hand us over the fetus and simply say - here, you take it and do as you will with it. Her body is her own to with as she pleases. If as some say, there is a life at stake, then fine, give that life to them and they can deal with it. I can not understand how any of us think it is our right to force the woman to bring it to term.

Originally Posted by Elaina

Hey all!

No one should tell a woman what to do with her body but when that body houses another human being and you intentionally kill it, then I see it as murder.
There are so many forms of contraception that there is no reason why a person should have an unwanted pregnancy unless the woman was raped. Then that is a different story.
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Are you hinting that in the case of rape there might be just cause for an abortion and that this might not be murder?