Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[Jessica]

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees
On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.
Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.
"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."
The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.
"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.
The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."
"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."
But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.
"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
As for an apology, the boys and their families say, 'fat chance.'
"I'm not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong," Galli said. "I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I'm an American and I'm proud to be an American."
The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district and the school do not see eye-to-eye on the incident and released the following statement:
The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.
The boys will not be suspended and were allowed to return to school Thursday. We spotted one of them when he got to campus -- and, yes, he was sporting an American flag T-shirt.




your views on this? I think it's stupid that they got kicked out like that.

[ookami]

My question is, Galli wear all days, not only the five of may , an american flag and a bandana?

For me is ok, it's not necessary to make things hard. Other peaple you are living with are celebrating their pride's day, it's necessary to show them how you are dominating? it's just a little respect that is not hard to show.
This time it was a kid, but that blinded national feeling it's dangerous. But, obviously, if I'm leadering a country or a war, it's very useful, I'll win for sure with more people like Galli!

Now, letting all of this aside, for me, all kind of "pride" that is external to our owns actions(or inmediate society actions, that is influence by ours), is stupid, it's just trying to find something to fell identificated with, to escape (generally). And even this pride, our actions pride, is worth nothing, and can be as a broken mirror. The other day a friend told me he is pride of continuing fighting, another day, a friend told me he is pride of been alive. Another. is pride of his constancy. That's, for me, something that maybe you could call pride.
But yes, nationalism is necessary for a society to continue. Without Gallis would be difficult, Gallis are made, we are all day long been trying to be convert to a Galli, I'm proud of fighting all day long with it! (obviously, a child that is been socialize, can not expect to be something than a Galli, but can destroy that ache ilusion after that primary socialization)

"El orgullo engendra al tirano. El orgullo, cuando inútilmente ha llegado a acumular imprudencias y excesos, remontándose sobre el más alto pináculo, se precipita en un abismo de males, del que no hay posibilidad de salir"

"El hombre sólo pretende pretextos para vivir, es decir, elaborar una imagen de su orgullo."

"Qué orgullo descubrir que nada te pertenece: qué revelación. "
Nothing, even that beautiful land you love underneath your feets.

[chileno]

Originally Posted by ookami

My question is, Galli wear all days, not only the fifth of may , an American flag and a bandanna?

For me is ok, it's not necessary to make things hard. Other people you are living with are celebrating their pride's day, it's necessary to show them how you are dominating? it's just a little respect that is not hard to show.
This time it was a kid, but that blinded national feeling it's dangerous. But, obviously, if I'm leading a country or a war, it's very useful, I'll win for sure with more people like Galli!

Now, letting all of this aside, for me, all kind of "pride" that is external to our owns actions(or immediate society actions, that is influence by ours), is stupid, it's just trying to find something to feel identified with, to escape (generally). And even this pride, our actions of pride, is worth nothing, and can be as a broken mirror. The other day a friend told me he is pride of continuing fighting, another day, a friend told me he is proud of being alive. Another. is pride of his constancy. That's, for me, something that maybe you could call pride.
But yes, nationalism is necessary for a society to continue. Without Gallis would be difficult, Gallis are made, we are all day long been trying to be convert to a Galli, I'm proud of fighting all day long with it!

"El orgullo engendra al tirano. El orgullo, cuando inútilmente ha llegado a acumular imprudencias y excesos, remontándose sobre el más alto pináculo, se precipita en un abismo de males, del que no hay posibilidad de salir"

"El hombre sólo pretende pretextos para vivir, es decir, elaborar una imagen de su orgullo."

"Qué orgullo descubrir que nada te pertenece: qué revelación. "
Nothing, even that beautiful land you love underneath your feets.

There are more corrections, but i have to go...

[pjt33]

A ver: es un día para conmemorar una victoria contra los franceses en una guerra en la que EEUU se juntó al lado mexicano, y ¿llevar la bandera EEUUense ofende? Si llevaran la bandera francesa podría comprenderlo.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Jessica

Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees
On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.
Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.
"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."
The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.
"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.
The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."
"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."
But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.
"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
As for an apology, the boys and their families say, 'fat chance.'
"I'm not going to apologize. I did nothing wrong," Galli said. "I went along with my normal day. I might have worn an American flag, but I'm an American and I'm proud to be an American."
The five boys and their families met with a Morgan Hill Unified School District official Wednesday night. The district and the school do not see eye-to-eye on the incident and released the following statement:
The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.
The boys will not be suspended and were allowed to return to school Thursday. We spotted one of them when he got to campus -- and, yes, he was sporting an American flag T-shirt.




your views on this? I think it's stupid that they got kicked out like that.

You don't see the stupid of the thread as you said before.
You see the opportunity to learn something else in your attempt about the Spanish, really if you wrote that text you did it well, you believe me.

I believe that the change that you've here with the learning each day in the website.

Good luck as Chileno said before.
You've made the best of your endeavor in the learning.

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

@pjt: El contexto es esencial para comprender la noticia.
Desde hace muchos años, ese día no es especialmente significativo en México, pero es una celebración que ha crecido mucho en importancia entre los latinos dentro de Estados Unidos. A nadie ahí le importa que se llevara a cabo una batalla contra el ejército francés.
Ahora bien, si se acaba de aprobar una ley violatoria de los derechos humanos, al permitir detener "sospechosos" sin previa comprobación de ser delincuentes, y en un día especialmente importante para una minoría de origen extranjero, el uso de una bandera estadounidense es, por decir lo menos, imprudente, a pesar de la libertad de expresión y todo lo demás.
No justifico a ningún bando, pero ni el uso de los colores estadounidenses ni la reacción de los latinos es gratuita.

[irmamar]

I would never wear a t-shirt with the colours of a flag. That's unthinkable here.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

You don't see the stupid of the thread as you said before.
You see the opportunity to learn something else in your attempt about the Spanish, really if you wrote that text you did it well, you believe me.

I believe that the change that you've here with the learning each day in the website.

Good luck as Chileno said before.
You've made the best of your endeavor in the learning.

don't understand you. I don't have anything to do with this. I just think it's stupid that they got kicked off. This is America (where the high school is). not Mexico.

[Jason.]

I agree with Jessica, this is very stupid

[Jessica]

someone agrees with me. anyone else?

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I would never wear a t-shirt with the colours of a flag. That's unthinkable here.

Not even your own?

[CrOtALiTo]

Jessica not, in your town it's not exist already.
But in my town it's very known.

I don't know in that another part of the world that is known like.

[laepelba]

Remember that I'm a school teacher. I'm absolutely convinced that the news has not presented the entire story. I refuse to form an opinion based only on what has been reported in the news.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by laepelba

I'm absolutely convinced that the news has not presented the entire story. I refuse to form an opinion based only on what has been reported in the news.

That means you must very few opinions, and I can hardly believe that. But of course you are right, the facts can be misrepresented to make the story seem outrageous, and outrage sells newspapers. Perhaps these guys were being provocative, perhaps not. Who knows?

I'm reserving my judgement. (This by the way is a useful expression, used in academic circles by people who are afraid to say "I don't know".)

[Elaina]

En algún otro dia diría yo que no importaba. Pero en el tiempo en que estamos y con lo que esta pasando por donde quiera contra los inmigrantes (especialmente Mexicanos) creo que fué de muy mal gusto usar esas camisetas. Ya estan grandecitos los jovenes que portaban esas camisetas asi que lo hicieron con el propósito de molestar...no me los den por santos.

I am in agreement with their being kicked off campus for wearing those shirts.

We live in a country where the people that live in it have the "right" to do many things but just because I have the "right" to freedom of speech I am not going to say things that are hurtful towards other people. There is a thing called respect that I think is much more important than having the right to do whatever.

"El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz"

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Not even your own?

No, not even my own: never, never.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by Perikles

That means you must very few opinions, and I can hardly believe that. But of course you are right, the facts can be misrepresented to make the story seem outrageous, and outrage sells newspapers. Perhaps these guys were being provocative, perhaps not. Who knows?

I'm reserving my judgement. (This by the way is a useful expression, used in academic circles by people who are afraid to say "I don't know".)

I had actually typed a whole bit and deleted it because it was all conjecture. Here's an example. One of my students might say to me, "I was just sitting there, and the teacher came over, yelled at me for no reason, and now I have detention, so I can't come to take your test after school." And, upon more questions, the student has absolutely no admission of anything else happening. But upon questioning the other teacher, you find out that the student had been doing all sorts of things wrong for the previous hour, and when she finally decided to assign the detention it was because the student was talking during a test after many warnings not to do so. There is ALWAYS more to the story....

Originally Posted by irmamar

No, not even my own: never, never.

Honestly, you would never wear a red and yellow shirt? Why is that?

[Jessica]

they just wore American t-shirts on Cinco de mayo, and they get kicked out for that?

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

Jessica not, in your town it's not exist already.
But in my town it's very known.

I don't know in that another part of the world that is known like.

But it doesn't matter they got kicked out from being patriotic. I live in the same country as them.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by Jessica

they just wore American t-shirts on Cinco de mayo, and they get kicked out for that?

Do you know for a fact that was the absolute only thing that happened with those students? That is all that they did? You, personally, know this to be a fact? My point is that I, personally, only know what I've read in the news, and I don't necessarily believe that the news has presented the whole story.

If you have personal, first-hand knowledge of the situation, I'd love to hear more!

[poli]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I would never wear a t-shirt with the colours of a flag. That's unthinkable here.

¿Ni durante de juegos de futbol o olímpicos?
Las banderas son símbolos que llevan un gran significado a algunos y a otros no. Por mi parte una bandera es un pedazo de tela y poco más, pero a otros la lleva algo más y respecto sus sentimentos. Lo que no vi en el artículo que presentó Jessica es que la mayoría de los districtos de escuelas en EEUU prohiben el uso de banderas como un artículo de ropa porque en la opinión de muchos llevar una bandera americana muestra falta de respeto para EEUU. Tambien se prohibe es uso de las bandanas, porque muchos jovenes en "gangas" las llevan y no queremos alientar las gangas violentas.

Eses niños, al lo mejor, sabían que no debían llevar banderas y ,en nombre de "patriotismo", provocaron los autoridades que enforzaron la regla. Muy necios eses niños son.

A proposito, El Cinco de Mayo es un día muy promocionado por Corona, Modelo y Cuervo. Criaron una buena razon emboracherse. Cuervo y Cororna saben que las palabras cinco de mayo son muy fácil para casi cualquier anglo pronunciar. El 16 de Septiembre (un verdadero día de fiesta mexicano) nunca serviría aquí porque ningún gringo lo puede pronunciar.