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Old September 17, 2010, 10:31 PM
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Yo no entiendo de dónde termina saliendo la conclusión "With homosexuality nothing can be generated. It is sterile." No veo ningún argumento, lo que da pie a que diga lo contrario sin decir el porqué. ¿Estéril en cuanto a qué? ¿Una planta muerta es algo estéril para el universo? En definitiva la clasificación en "estéril" y "fructífero" no es distinta de la de "malo" y "bueno", y como tal hay distintas escalas de valores. Una relación de hombre y mujer genera muchas cosas. Y una de hombre y hombre también. Una de las cosas que generan un hombre y una mujer (una de las millones, de las billones) es un niño. Con él se sigue moviendo la rueda universal de causa y efecto. Como también el amor que hay entre ellos dos hace lo mismo, como también los suspiros que irradian de la relación son infinitos y parte del universo y tal vez yo este aquí gracias a un ramo de rosas que tiraron en un casamiento y que hizo que... etc. El ramo de rosas vive en mi. Dos hombres también generan miles y millones de cosas. No necesitan ser novios o esposos o amigos. Es lo de menos. Pueden crear mil frutos por doquier. Si un niño es más importante que cualquier otro efecto, lo dejo a su criterio. Para el universo yo me imagino que será lo mismo.

Sobre las palabras, nada dicen al fin y al cabo. Absolutamente todo se puede refutar con la razón. Cada palabra que digo, cada frase de lo "más lógica", no es más que vacío, es fácilmente contradecible. Por eso el lenguaje debería ser una herramienta, nada más. Yo cada vez que escribo me arrepiento, y cuando hablo también. Ya lo tomo como un juego, en serio hablo muy poco. Defiendo teorías que no son las mías solo para jugar. En persona estoy habituado al silencio. Poco se puede decir. Estamos solos, aislados. Nada se puede decir. ¿Qué dicen mis ojos?
"..." "Pasame el azúcar." "Gracias." "Perdón." "Hum." "..." "..." "..." "..." "Adiós"

Sabio es el Budismo Zen a este respecto. Es un "must" la aunque sea superficial incursión en él.
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Yo no entiendo de dónde termina saliendo la conclusión "With homosexuality nothing can be generated. It is sterile." No veo ningún argumento, lo que da pie a que diga lo contrario sin decir el porqué. ¿Estéril en cuanto a qué? ¿Una planta muerta es algo estéril para el universo? En definitiva la clasificación en "estéril" y "fructífero" no es distinta de la de "malo" y "bueno", y como tal hay distintas escalas de valores. Una relación de hombre y mujer genera muchas cosas. Y una de hombre y hombre también. Una de las cosas que generan un hombre y una mujer (una de las millones, de las billones) es un niño. Con él se sigue moviendo la rueda universal de causa y efecto. Como también el amor que hay entre ellos dos hace lo mismo, como también los suspiros que irradian de la relación son infinitos y parte del universo y tal vez yo este aquí gracias a un ramo de rosas que tiraron en un casamiento y que hizo que... etc. El ramo de rosas vive en mi. Dos hombres también generan miles y millones de cosas. No necesitan ser novios o esposos o amigos. Es lo de menos. Pueden crear mil frutos por doquier. Si un niño es más importante que cualquier otro efecto, lo dejo a su criterio. Para el universo yo me imagino que será lo mismo.

Sobre las palabras, nada dicen al fin y al cabo. Absolutamente todo se puede refutar con la razón. Cada palabra que digo, cada frase de lo "más lógica", no es más que vacío, es fácilmente contradecible. Por eso el lenguaje debería ser una herramienta, nada más. Yo cada vez que escribo me arrepiento, y cuando hablo también. Ya lo tomo como un juego, en serio hablo muy poco. Defiendo teorías que no son las mías solo para jugar. En persona estoy habituado al silencio. Poco se puede decir. Estamos solos, aislados. Nada se puede decir. ¿Qué dicen mis ojos?
"..." "Pasame el azúcar." "Gracias." "Perdón." "Hum." "..." "..." "..." "..." "Adiós"

Sabio es el Budismo Zen a este respecto. Es un "must" la aunque sea superficial incursión en él.
Tienes razón.

Todo lo que refutas, y estando en lo cierto, no es menos cierto que esa creación a la que aduces es solo la creación que se obtiene solo por estar vivos, o ser creados o haber sido creados. Yo me refiero a la creación de un ser vivo.

Pero en realidad no es tan importante, es solo filosofía barata. Todos aducen a la preferencia, a lo legal y a la religión. Quería expresar una opinión, y lo hice.
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Chileno.

I don't want to take my commentary as a out place or as a insult in any moment that will be my intention.

But I believe that everyone have the power in decide over their body and about their life, I believe that this thread is more based in the disposition of the people in the thinking without know the really of things.

In my opinion everyone have the right of life their life the best they can do it, then in my disposition, we should to keep us our commentaries and support to the people in the new fooling laws made for the man and the people who doesn't understand the real trouble, so the people can born with hormonal troubles and well they can involve themselves for the other gender, I agree with the people although they are gays or not, they simple are humans like me and like you.

I don't see your negative against the people of other gender, but I can see the negative of other people who does't agree with this kind of people, I can't say names.

I reserve my own right, but I believe that people who don't agree with the thread are closed people and they don't understand something very easy as the right freedom.

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No me ofendo. Al contrario, me gusta que la gente exprese su opinión. Si escribieras en castellano sería mejor, en todo caso, porque no estoy muy seguro de lo que quisiste decir.
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It's a normal variation in human behavior like being left-handed instead of being right-handed. As far a sterile is concerned: Tell that to Michelangelo or Tennessee Williams or Wilde or Lorca.
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I agree with Poli. Or even la Madre Teresa de Calcuta. She neither was a great artist nor had children, but she left a lot of people without mother.
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So, for you guys just because you have a cold you are not human? Don't get confused.
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So, for you guys just because you have a cold you are not human? Don't get confused.
¿Qué papel tiene un resfriado con este tema?
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¿Qué papel tiene un resfriado con este tema?
El de una enfermedad. Lo que dije en mi mensaje original.
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La afliccion con sufrían los surdos (veas la palabra siniestra) no era tanto
la enfermedad del surdo sino la sociedad que lo sorspechaba por ser difierente
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La aflicción con que sufrían los zurdos (ver la palabra siniestra) no era tanto
la enfermedad del zurdo sino por la sociedad que sospecho era por ser diferente
Coincido contigo, pero el homosexualismo no es algo inherente en todos los seres humanos, aunque la mayoría de los homosexuales dicen que todos los seres humanos son homosexuales no declarados, y esto se dice más del hombre que de la mujer.
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Coincido contigo, pero el homosexualismo no es algo inherente en todos los seres humanos, aunque la mayoría de los homosexuales dicen que todos los seres humanos son homosexuales no declarados, y esto se dice más del hombre que de la mujer.
I believe your response is based on emotion rather than fact. It's the
type of emotion that sometimes you hear when people say:
All Moslems are _____
All African-Americans are ___
All Hispanics are___
All Jews are___
All Gypsies are____
This type of emotion has been very harmful in the past. It has a name and
that name is fear. In order for us to progress a human beings, we
need to identify these fears that we have and overcome them.
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I believe your response is based on emotion rather than fact. It's the
type of emotion that sometimes you hear when people say:
All Moslems are _____
All African-Americans are ___
All Hispanics are___
All Jews are___
All Gypsies are____
This type of emotion has been very harmful in the past. It has a name and
that name is fear. In order for us to progress a human beings, we
need to identify these fears that we have and overcome them.
Perhaps you are right. But I don't have fears. I have convictions, which as you say, might be wrong.

I suppose you don't have fears either, perhaps you have ideas only.
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I agree with Poli. Or even la Madre Teresa de Calcuta. She neither was a great artist nor had children, but she left a lot of people without mother.
It's sad that situation when a person is very important in the planet, who would say that she will be a great grandmother for everyone, and when she dies all the people felt as if her dies had been the die of a familiar.

I don't know, exactly the same happened when Michael Jackson died one year ago, I don't remember when he died, I believe that he die two year ago, but well just the thread is the same, the people when they do something important for the society, simply they became like a god, although they aren't canonize yet.

Then I repeat, that kind of situations tend to be sad for everyone, and I understand the great job and the great humanism that she showed with the people.

Don you believe it?
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No creo que sea un problema sicológico. Es solo que la mente abre espacios donde quiera que se piense. Literalmente. El hecho de que exista no significa que se necesite o de que sea realmente así, ni menos de necimiento.

No te olvides de que a principios del siglo veinte los científicos de laq época dijeron que el hombre nunca podría pasar la barrera de una velocidad de 40 km por hora, porque se desintegraría.

Hoy en día se debate si el huevo trae consecuencias cardio vasculares por su contenido de colesterol. El debate ha estado en boga por los médicos desde los años ochentas, va y viene, y son los mismos médicos prácticamente.

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By the way, I want to make clear that I do not condemn the fact of being gay or not. I simply think it is a sickness either of the mind and or of the soul.

I don't think there bad or good, just right or wrong choices. If you make a wrong choice you can always correct it, the world is not going to stop because someone made the wrong choice. Eventually, everything goes back to balance.

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Irma:

No creo que sea un problema sicológico. Es solo que la mente abre espacios donde quiera que se piense. Literalmente. El hecho de que exista no significa que se necesite o de que sea realmente así, ni menos de necimiento.

No te olvides de que a principios del siglo veinte los científicos de laq época dijeron que el hombre nunca podría pasar la barrera de una velocidad de 40 km por hora, porque se desintegraría.

Hoy en día se debate si el huevo trae consecuencias cardio vasculares por su contenido de colesterol. El debate ha estado en boga por los médicos desde los años ochentas, va y viene, y son los mismos médicos prácticamente.

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By the way, I want to make clear that I do not condemn the fact of being gay or not. I simply think it is a sickness either of the mind and or of the soul.

I don't think there bad or good, just right or wrong choices. If you make a wrong choice you can always correct it, the world is not going to stop because someone made the wrong choice. Eventually, everything goes back to balance.
Let me get this right. You don't think it's good or bad. but you think it's a
sickness. Does that mean that in your mind sickness is neither good nor
bad? Most people see illness as bad. Do you really think these people who are discriminated against and sometimes killed have made a choice? So you don't believe that this is an innate orientation but rather a choice and that illness OK. This seems illogical to me.
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Let me get this right. You don't think it's good or bad. but you think it's a
sickness. Does that mean that in your mind sickness is neither good nor
bad? Most people see illness as bad. Do you really think these people who are discriminated against and sometimes killed have made a choice? So you don't believe that this is an innate orientation but rather a choice and that illness OK. This seems illogical to me.
Are you sure you are not judgmental?

Read again.

It is bad enough to kill people for any reason.
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¿Tú dirías que las personas que tienen los ojos azules están enfermas? Pues fue una mutación genética.
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