New Immigration Law

[Elaina]

Hi All,

Have you heard about the new law that was enacted in Arizona?

How can "they" honestly say that this law is not going to encourage or promote "racial profiling? So she (Governor) says racial profiling will not be tolerated and she in no way sees this law as promoting it.

So, my question to you is.

What does an illegal alien look like?

There are lots of Mexicans that are U.S. citizens that if they are stopped by police officers and you can't prove that you are a US citizen because no one that I know of carries their passport or citizenship certificate, you can and will be incarcerated and fined $500.00.

So if you look illegal and are traveling in Arizona, please be careful and take care of yourselves.

Doesn't this fall under "does not discriminate based on race and color".

Sorry if I don't make sense but I am somewhat upset.

[bobjenkins]

Originally Posted by Elaina

Hi All,

Have you heard about the new law that was enacted in Arizona?

How can "they" honestly say that this law is not going to encourage or promote "racial profiling? So she (Governor) says racial profiling will not be tolerated and she in no way sees this law as promoting it.

So, my question to you is.

What does an illegal alien look like?

There are lots of Mexicans that are U.S. citizens that if they are stopped by police officers and you can't prove that you are a US citizen because no one that I know of carries their passport or citizenship certificate, you can and will be incarcerated and fined $500.00.

So if you look illegal and are traveling in Arizona, please be careful and take care of yourselves.

Doesn't this fall under "does not discriminate based on race and color".

Sorry if I don't make sense but I am somewhat upset.

vivo ahí, or en mi caso aquí . Sherrif Joe is widely known to be racist , por lo menos así es como todas las personas que conozco y yo pensamos

Estoy de acuerdo , nadie lleve probación de ciudadanía. No es logical para hacerlo

[chileno]

I guess, from now on, everybody has to carry their passport, else there will be a lot of suits going on.

[Elaina]

I would love to go to Arizona and hope that they arrest me on suspicion of being an illegal alien.

I would file a suit so fast they wouldn't know what hit them.

Bob.....Sheriff Joe es un racista pero ahora la Gobernadora es la que esta sacando sus uñas a relucir.

Creo que muy pronto hasta podría haber una guerra civil.

Está bien que quieran patrullar las fronteras para no admitir los de los carteles de droga pero tengo entendido que los mismos trabajadores de la frontera son pagados por estos individuos.

Esto está loco.....

[CrOtALiTo]

You're right with refer to the new laws promoted on Arizona, of course I don't agree with that new law, I believe that Governor hasn't the minimal intention to be more lovable with the illegal aliens, I don't know the kind to think what that person has in this moment, when we are the closer to her land.

I don't see proper that kind to racial laws.

I have the hopefulness that Obama does something with does more sense and happy the aliens life in the United States, it doesn't just for anyone.

Please god forgive her that bad brain of that person.

[Jessica]

I hate it. very unfair

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Jessica

I hate it. very unfair

You don't see the unfair of the new law, you see since of the point of the ping of people who will surfer like criminals.

[Jessica]

yes exactly they should do some other way to control illegal immigrants they can't put you in jail just because of what you look like and also if you don't carry your citizenship or whatever

[tacuba]

How many Americans know that Arizona once was part of Mexico (along with several other states) and there are Latinos living there whose families have been in the area for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Ulysses S. Grant wrote about the U.S. invading Mexico: "I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation."

[laepelba]

But, really, doesn't this all come back to (as usual), white privilege?

[poli]

EEUU( como España) sufrimos con las cicatrices de una guerra civil. En EEUU se manifesta en "derechos estatales" contra "derechos federales". Arizona está ejercitando sus derechos estatales contra leyes y deseos
federales(que Arizona vea como insuficiente- y a lo mejor tienen razón en este punto).En esta nueva ley, Arizona está actuando contra las leyes de derechos civiles federales. Lo veo detestable, pero así es la historia del viejo sur contra el norte. Verán que la mayoría que apoyan la decisión de Arizona vienen del sur.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by laepelba

But, really, doesn't this all come back to (as usual), white privilege?

Sincerely I don't believe what that being for the racism of the person who proposed the new law in Arizona, but even so I believe that the new law has as objective the discrimination of the Latin people that are living outside of the border.

That person has the mind corrupted and she's a bad person, and either the new law will finish the migration toward the United States.

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

Sincerely I don't believe what that being for the racism of the person who proposed the new law in Arizona, but even so I believe that the new law has as objective the discrimination of the Latin people that are living outside of the border.

That person has the mind corrupted and she's a bad person, and either the new law will finish the migration toward the United States.

"Racism" is not the same thing as "white privilege".

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by laepelba

"Racism" is not the same thing as "white privilege".

I don't believe in the white people privileged.
I believe in the people who even believes in the racism.

[Jessica]

I don't think it's racism they're just overdoing it to prevent illegal immigrants or whatever

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by CrOtALiTo

I don't believe in the white people privileged.
I believe in the people who even believes in the racism.

Please know that I do NOT believe that white people are privileged. There are MANY people, and have been many people throughout history who HAVE thought that white people are privileged, and that has led to a HUGE number of horrible problems throughout the world.

Please look closely at the definition of the word "privilege" (privilegio) and google "white privilege".

You can start at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

Unfortunately, even though white people should NOT be privileged, they often act that way, and/or are treated that way. Simply for their "whiteness".

Start by studying colonization practices in Africa and Latin America and the difficult histories that both continents have experienced since. It's a sad story - and it all comes back to white privilege.

This law in Arizona may have some logical basis in some minor points, but in essence comes back to the same bottom line: white people think/act/are treated as if they have some sort of privilege for their whiteness alone.

Everyone needs to work toward a global society where skin color, race, cultural background does NOT form the basis for social classifications.....

I could go on and on, but I'll spare you all my soapbox. Please, again - "racism" is NOT the same as "white privilege"!

[ROBINDESBOIS]

I believe that that law is not the right one, and that crime has to be prosecuted and punished dearly using other mechanisms. But it´s so difficult to find the right mechanisms. Spain is very lenient, and most crimes are comitted by inmigrants unfortunately. I´m not a racist at all but some of them need to be arrested.

[poli]

Seriously I think the Arizona law is racist. The embittered white people of Arizona fear they will lose their majority and they are trying hard to make the state inhospitable to brown people. They want no compromise and certainly no amnesty program which they fear will threaten their Republican majority. By being hostile they will lose. The shame is on them.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by poli

Seriously I think the Arizona law is racist. The embittered white people of Arizona fear they will lose their majority and they are trying hard to make the state inhospitable to brown people. They want no compromise and certainly no amnesty program which they fear will threaten their Republican majority. By being hostile they will lose. The shame is on them.

agreed.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Please know that I do NOT believe that white people are privileged. There are MANY people, and have been many people throughout history who HAVE thought that white people are privileged, and that has led to a HUGE number of horrible problems throughout the world.

Please look closely at the definition of the word "privilege" (privilegio) and google "white privilege".

You can start at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

Unfortunately, even though white people should NOT be privileged, they often act that way, and/or are treated that way. Simply for their "whiteness".

Start by studying colonization practices in Africa and Latin America and the difficult histories that both continents have experienced since. It's a sad story - and it all comes back to white privilege.

This law in Arizona may have some logical basis in some minor points, but in essence comes back to the same bottom line: white people think/act/are treated as if they have some sort of privilege for their whiteness alone.

Everyone needs to work toward a global society where skin color, race, cultural background does NOT form the basis for social classifications.....

I could go on and on, but I'll spare you all my soapbox. Please, again - "racism" is NOT the same as "white privilege"!

You don't worry.
The new law from Arizona is more than a kind of racism.