Hay sol ... o hace sol?

[Ambarina]

Originally Posted by Perikles

I often say "its raining outside" yes - DUH! but yesterday I thought it wasn't so daft, because we have just had a tropical storm which was so bad it was raining inside as well.

There is always an exception to every statement (except this one ).

Saw the news and it looked scary. Hope everything's OK with you.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by Ambarina

Saw the news and it looked scary. Hope everything's OK with you.

Yes, we are ok now, but I have never seen such rain, quite unbelievable. No damage to us, but plenty of damage to roads and other houses. Thanks for asking.

Originally Posted by laepelba

Perikles - you and I are SO similar. I love pondering the set of all sets, which can't exist, of course, because it can't be a member of itself. I LOVE MATH!!

It is the mathematical urge to create a general order, but language does not fit well. I remember when learning Ancient Greek, my grammar book gave lists of all noun declensions (very difficult, I think 14 different ones and hundreds of irregular ones). One such declension was the name Socrates, declined only in the singular. Obviously, because he was unique.

Later, I stumbled on a text which translated as "even if we had had 10 Socrateses...."

Edit: oops sorry mods. (smack bottom smiley)

[laepelba]

Originally Posted by AngelicaDeAlquezar

@Lou Ann: Correct, I think. Irma has already given a good answer to that, and you can see there are some nuances and exceptions. There are also some weather-related expressions that won't admit "hace":

Hace lluvia -> llueve/está lloviendo
Hace nieve -> nieva/está nevando
Hace niebla -> hay niebla/está neblinoso
Hace nubes -> está nublado
.
.
.

Also "tronar", right?
Truena. It's thundering.
Can you also say "Está tronando."

[Ambarina]

Originally Posted by laepelba

Also "tronar", right?
Truena. It's thundering.
Can you also say "Está tronando."

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by laepelba

"Hay sol por la mañana."

OR

"Hace sol por la mañana."

Which?

I believe that the two phrase are correct for my own view point

[chachon]

Bajo mi entender, se debe diferenciar entre adjetivos y sustantivos, calor y sol no estan bajo la misma clase . El contexto se delimita por la extructura.
hace calor, esta soleado o hay sol, esta caluroso.

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

Algunas correcciones para evitar confundir a los estudiantes:

Originally Posted by chachon

Bajo mi entender, se debe diferenciar entre adjetivos y sustantivos, calor y sol no estan bajo la misma clase. El contexto se delimita por la estructura.
Hace calor, está soleado o hay sol, está caluroso.

[JPablo]

Also,
"Bajo mi entender" (?)
I never heard that in Spanish.
I'd say,
"Según mi entender" "A mi juicio" "Según mi punto de vista".

(Otherwise, Welcome to the forums, Chachon!)