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Old March 06, 2013, 01:05 PM
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Firmar sendas confesiones

I know it means to sign a confession, but I'm confused about the construction. Does sendas in this case mean papers. I have thought that senda means path. Also wouldn't it be more correct to say sendas
confesionales?
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This "sendas" doesn't come from "senda" (path).

It comes from the adjective only used in plural "sendos(as)", which means one for each person.

So each person signed their own confession.
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This "sendas" doesn't come from "senda" (path).

It comes from the adjective only used in plural "sendos(as)", which means one for each person.

So each person signed their own confession.
I was wondering why it didn't even make grammatical sense. Thanks.
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I understand that "senda" would mean "categorical", "without doubts", "completely", in this case.
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"Pável Dmitrenkovich, solista del célebre ballet, y sus dos compinches, detenidos tras firmar sendas confesiones sobre su participación en el ataque al director artístico"

(cada uno firmó su propia confesión)


"Dmitrichenko había confesado el delito, y los otros dos hombres también han firmado sendas confesiones sobre su participación: uno arrojó el bote con ácido en el rostro de Filin y el otro condujo el coche de huida, según las mismas fuetnes[SIC]."


(esto es, cada uno firmó su propia confesión)
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O sea, puedo decir que firmé una senda confesión, queriendo decir que firmé la propia?

Y no que fue una tremenda confesión?

EDIT:

Lo encontré. Yo he estado equivocado toda la vida en cuanto al significado de sendas/sendos.

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@Poli: Don't worry. It's normal, as you couldn't even have found it like that in the dictionary.


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O sea, puedo decir que firmé una senda confesión, queriendo decir que firmé la propia?
Lo siento, pero no. Únicamente se usa en plural.

Según el DRAE:
Sendos(as): Adjetivo plural. Uno o una para cada cual de dos o más personas o cosas.


Sé que ya saliste de dudas, pero es para no confundir a los estudiantes.
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@Poli: Don't worry. It's normal, as you couldn't even have found it like that in the dictionary.



Lo siento, pero no. Únicamente se usa en plural.

Según el DRAE:
Sendos(as): Adjetivo plural. Uno o una para cada cual de dos o más personas o cosas.


Sé que ya saliste de dudas, pero es para no confundir a los estudiantes.
Estoy seguro de que he leído algo así como "Y llevaba un sendo sombrero en su cabeza" o algo parecido. Incluso, si estuviera en plural, todo eso me llevó a pensar que se trataba de algo "tremendo", "único" etc...
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Acabo de hacer una miniencuesta a mi alrededor y busqué en Google ese uso de "sendo". Ambas "investigaciones" coinciden en que el habla coloquial lo usa como sinónimo de grande o tremendo, como dices. Admito que es la primera vez que lo veo así. Con todo, creo que el uso coloquial no es el mismo de la noticia donde lo halló Poli, y ahí se usa como dice el diccionario.

...pero ya conocemos dos posibles acepciones de la palabra.
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sendos -das. 1. Adjetivo distributivo que significa ‘uno para cada una de las personas o cosas mencionadas’: «Junto a él, otros tres judíos, todos ellos arropados en sendos ropones de colores llamativos» (Benítez Caballo 1 [Esp. 1984]). Por su propia significación, se usa solo en plural.
2. No debe emplearse como equivalente de dos o ambos, sin valor distributivo: Han robado en la farmacia y en el estanco, y parece que sendos atracos los cometió la misma persona.
3. En el habla popular de muchas zonas de América se usa con el sentido de ‘muy grande o descomunal’, por lo que puede aparecer en singular: «Proseguiste, alentado, por tu sendo disparate y dando con todo al traste» (Cancionero [Arg. 1974]). Existen ejemplos similares en España, en textos del siglo xix, pero es uso rechazado en la norma culta, tanto española como americana.

Diccionario panhispánico de dudas ©2005 Real Academia Española
Yo jamás jamás jamais never lo había oído en el sentido 3 (y el ejemplo que figura ahí es argentino). Claro, a 25 km de mi casa ya comienza otro idioma en el que prometer significa asegurar y las cosas tienen anchor y largor.

El texto citado en el DPD dice así:

48

...

Te creíste diputado
por arte 'e virlibirloque,
pero cierto albaricoque
te salió duro y pasmado...
Proseguiste, alentado,
por tu sendo disparate
y dando con todo al traste
por lograr diputasía,
mostrando gran valentía:
¡A solas te proclamaste!

49

Los demócratas son máistros
pa'cer votar a los muertos,
pues dejan en la eleición
los cementerios desiertos.

y el título de la obra es

LAS MALAS LENGUAS**
Antología del cancionero tradicional picaresco

selección y estudios de Diana Bellessi y Noemí Diez

La obra es de 1974, pero los textos son en su mayoría del siglo XIX. Así que el DPD, como el DRAE, contiene información inexacta y engañosa -¡qué raro!-.

** es un juego de palabras entre el significado literal y la frase hecha, que localmente significa "la cotilla, en su peor sentido genérico; los propaladores de chismes poco edificantes acerca de hechos y personas"
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@Poli: Don't worry. It's normal, as you couldn't even have found it like that in the dictionary. .
He have found it if he had looked in the Oxford Spanish Dictionary:



sendos-das adjetivo plural

1 (cada uno): llevaban sendas pistolas each of them was carrying o they were each carrying a gun; la revista celebró su aniversario con sendas fiestas en Madrid y Barcelona the magazine celebrated its anniversary with parties in both Madrid and Barcelona

2 (uso criticado) (ambos) both
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@Perikles: I was only talking about the DRAE, but thank you for quoting Oxford.

@Alec: Raro, sí.
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@Poli: Don't worry. It's normal, as you couldn't even have found it like that in the dictionary.
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He would have found it if he had looked in the Oxford Spanish Dictionary:
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@Perikles: I was only talking about the DRAE, but thank you for quoting Oxford.
Now this is (to me) a fascinating example of how a definite article can lead to a misunderstanding. There are some words which when used with 'the' actually don't mean something definite but change the meaning of the noun into something abstract.

If I say "damn, I don't understand this word, I'm going to have to look it up in the dictionary" I don't mean a particular dictionary, I'm referring to the process of referring to whichever dictionary or dictionaries I need to find what I need. So I naturally understood @Angelica as meaning "you won't find it in any dictionary".

I find this fascinating - maybe I should get a life.
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My only thought was the DRAE, as that's the one we quote the most and the one in which I found the word after three different tries.
But I think you were just a victim of my solipsism: I expected "the dictionary" would give an idea of one and only, because otherwise I would have said "dictionaries" or "any dictionary".

But it's good to know that my own interpretation of English language is not the same for everyone. Next time I will avoid assuming.
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Yo jamás jamás jamais never lo había oído en el sentido 3 (y el ejemplo que figura ahí es argentino). Claro, a 25 km de mi casa ya comienza otro idioma en el que prometer significa asegurar y las cosas tienen anchor y largor.


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