Hammered out

[irmamar]

Does an "agreement hammered out" mean that it has been hard or difficult?

Thanks.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Does an "agreement hammered out" mean that it has been hard or difficult?

Yes, I would understand it as a case where opposing parties have huge differences, but recognise that they must reach an agreement. The agreement is probably not to the liking of either party, but an unpleasant compromise, so negotiations have been difficult. (metaphor: a blacksmith hammering a hot piece of metal into shape, with a lot of strength)

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Yes, I would understand it as a case where opposing parties have huge differences, but recognise that they must reach an agreement. The agreement is probably not to the liking of either party, but an unpleasant compromise, so negotiations have been difficult. (metaphor: a blacksmith hammering a hot piece of metal into shape, with a lot of strength)

Yes, that was the context (I'm trying to read some news from a British newspaper 'almost' everyday). Thanks.

[poli]

Originally Posted by irmamar

Yes, that was the context (I'm trying to read some news from a British newspaper 'almost' everyday). Thanks.

Tratas de leer lo comentarios de los lectores. Alli encontrarás la
verdadera inglés. El inglés de los artículos es bueno pero menos interesante. Los críticos tambien escriben con estilo y palabras que no se ve en la primeras paginas.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by poli

Tratas de leer lo comentarios de los lectores. Alli encontrarás la
verdadera inglés. El inglés de los artículos es bueno pero menos interesante. Los críticos tambien escriben con estilo y palabras que no se ve en la primeras paginas.

Pero el inglés de los comentarios es menos formal, ¿no? Me interesa el inglés formal . Y no sé si pasa como con los periódicos de aquí, que cuando leo los comentarios de la gente, encuentro muchas faltas de ortografía. Me da miedo ver faltas de ortografía en inglés y acostumbrarme a ver algo escrito así.

[Perikles]

Irma: http://www.guardian.co.uk/ El Guardian tiene normalmente un inglés más correcto

[sosia]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Irma: http://www.guardian.co.uk/ El Guardian tiene normalmente un inglés más correcto

I will try it. The sun has too much photos Thanks

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by sosia

I will try it. The sun has too much photos Thanks

too many photos

[poli]

Originally Posted by sosia

I will try it. The sun has too much photos Thanks

The Guardian es el mejor periódico inglés pero las noticias están presentadas en un modo muy seco. Es mejor explorar en interior del
periódico (opiniones, reseñas, comentarios) para aprender más el buen estilo inglés. Los tabloids (periódicos que abren como una revista)como The Evening Standard son más divertidos leer y sencillos. Allí puede aprender tambien. Yo evitaría The Sun si quieres evitar los chismes y vulgaridad.

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by poli

Yo evitaría The Sun si quieres evitar los chismes y vulgaridad.

Se dice que la gente quien lee The Sun tiene un vocabulario medio en inglés inferior a los 1.000 palabras.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Se dice que la gente quien lee The Sun tiene un vocabulario medio en inglés inferior a los 1.000 palabras.

So... that's a good newspaper for me.

Can I read those tabloids in Interntet (free, of course)?

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

So... that's a good newspaper for me.

Can I read those tabloids in Interntet (free, of course)?

Try these, all free.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

On the BBC site, you can switch between editions (UK, Europe, Africa, etc) depending on your interests.

Believe nothing from the Daily Mail.

[poli]

Yes. Google London Newspapers. You will see many to choose from.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Try these, all free.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

On the BBC site, you can switch between editions (UK, Europe, Africa, etc) depending on your interests.

Believe nothing from the Daily Mail.

Just now I was reading the Guardian.

I had heard that the Daily Mail was "prensa amarilla". How do you say "prensa amarilla"? (the one which is very sensationalistic)

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

I had heard that the Daily Mail was "prensa amarilla". How do you say "prensa amarilla"? (the one which is very sensationalistic)

prensa amarilla = gutter press (prensa alcantarilla )

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by poli

Yes. Google London Newspapers. You will see many to choose from.

But I can't see the difference between newspapers and tabloids.

Originally Posted by Perikles

prensa amarilla = gutter press (prensa alcantarilla )

Here "programas basura" are called to almost all programs in Spanish TV (usually the ones from the weekend )

[Perikles]

Originally Posted by irmamar

But I can't see the difference between newspapers and tabloids.

Tabloid is a particular size of newspaper. Originally, quality newspapers like The Times and The Guardian were larger, but workers newspapers were the smaller tabloid size, presumably so that workers at work could read them easily during their lunch break. So there used to be a difference in quality associated with the difference in size, the Tabloids being the gutter press. These days, the quality newspapers have also reduced their size to tabloid, so that everyone can read their newspaper on the train. So tabloid has lost it's meaning as a down-market newspaper, and new expressions appear, such as Red Tops, the newspapers with headlines in red colour, which the gutter press usually have.

[poli]

La prensa amarilla is also the yellow press.
There are two kinds of newspapers: Tabloids and Broadsheets.

Tabloids open like a magazine as all Spanish newspapers do.
Broadsheets are bigger and unfold like the New York Times or London's Guardian, and they are awkward to read on the subway/metro/tube

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by Perikles

Tabloid is a particular size of newspaper. Originally, quality newspapers like The Times and The Guardian were larger, but workers newspapers were the smaller tabloid size, presumably so that workers at work could read them easily during their lunch break. So there used to be a difference in quality associated with the difference in size, the Tabloids being the gutter press. These days, the quality newspapers have also reduced their size to tabloid, so that everyone can read their newspaper on the train. So tabloid has lost it's meaning as a down-market newspaper, and new expressions appear, such as Red Tops, the newspapers with headlines in red colour, which the gutter press usually have.

That's curious and very interesting. Such things show how society changes. Years ago much importance were attached to the differences among social classes, while nowadays this difference has almost disappeared (or I think so ).

[poli]

Originally Posted by irmamar

That's curious and very interesting. Such things show how society changes. Years ago much importance were attached to the differences among social classes, while nowadays this difference has almost disappeared (or I think so ).

How do you say don't kid yourself in Spanish?