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Old April 06, 2011, 02:14 AM
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El preso más antiguo

Here, I read

Este andaluz de 61 años es el preso común más antiguo de España.

What exactly does it mean? Does it mean he is the oldest prisoner in Spain, or that he has spent more time in prison than anybody else in Spain?
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Lo último, agregando "de manera continuada". Los escapes hacen discutible el título.
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Old April 06, 2011, 06:48 AM
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Here, I read

Este andaluz de 61 años es el preso común más antiguo de España.

What exactly does it mean? Does it mean he is the oldest prisoner in Spain, or that he has spent more time in prison than anybody else in Spain?
He has spent more time in prison. Talking about the age of a person, "antiguo" would never be used (mayor, anciano, viejo).
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Old April 06, 2011, 06:57 AM
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He has spent more time in prison. Talking about the age of a person, "antiguo" would never be used (mayor, anciano, viejo).
So if it were

Este andaluz de 91 años es el preso común más viejo de España.

That would mean he is the oldest prisoner, i.e. of the greatest age
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Este andaluz de 91 años es el preso común más viejo de España. He is the oldest.
Este andaluz de 91 años es el preso común más antiguo de España. He is the man with more time in prison.

ejemplo:
hace unos años, Fidel Castro era el dictador más viejo (84 años) y más antiguo (51 años en el poder)
Ahora la dictadura más antigua sigue siendo Cuba, pero creo que el dictador más viejo es Gadafi (68 años,41 años en el poder)

otro ejemplo:
Anciana detenida vendiendo marihuana --> Si va a la carcel, será la más vieja, pero no la más antigua.
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Paco tiene 101 y lo echaron a una celda ayer. Es el preso más viejo de España.
Manolo tiene 61 y está encarcelado desde los 21. Lleva 40 años continuados en la cárcel. Es el preso más antiguo de España.
Joselillo tiene 81 y está encarcelado desde los 51. Estuvo previamente en la cárcel 5 veces por un total de 20 años, por lo que lleva acumulados 50 años en la cárcel. No es el preso más viejo ni el más antiguo de España.
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Old April 06, 2011, 10:28 AM
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Thanks everyone - even I understand it now.
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It means the convict older in the Andaluz jail.
Here on my island there're people who more of 70 years in the enclose in the jail.

That's is unbelievable.

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No, Crotalito, he is not the oldest, but the person who has spent more time in prison. He can be Andalusian, but this doesn't mean that he is in an Andalusian prison necessarily, he might be in any prison of any region in Spain.
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hace unos años, Fidel Castro era el dictador más viejo (84 años) y más antiguo (51 años en el poder)
Ahora la dictadura más antigua sigue siendo Cuba, pero creo que el dictador más viejo es Gadafi (68 años,41 años en el poder)
¿Raúl Castro? Tiene 79 años.
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Quizá Raúl C., sea el más viejo ahora...

Todo esto me recuerda dos dichos,

"Cuanto más viejo, más pellejo"

Y otro que no me sabía:
Vino, amigo y aceite, cuanto más antiguo más ferviente.

Curiosamente, este thread, muestra o indica la carencia básica en las civilizaciones del homo sapiens de un medio de rehabilitar al criminal...
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¿Raúl Castro? Tiene 79 años.
ops Tienes toda la razón. Como lleva pocos años en el cargo....
Tenía que haber dicho.
Raul Castro es el más viejo pero no el más antiguo, que ahora quizás es gadafi. LA dictadura más antigua sigue siendo Cuba
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"Viejo", entre otras cosas, significa "antiguo". El problema era la ambigüedad que generaba haber sido claro antes y haber dicho "viejo es Fulano" lo que se aplica a la persona (mayor) y al dictador (antiguo).
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No, Crotalito, he is not the oldest, but the person who has spent more time in prison. He can be Andalusian, but this doesn't mean that he is in an Andalusian prison necessarily, he might be in any prison of any region in Spain.
I didn't know it.
Almost here in my country the prison is necessary for the capos drugs, and well I don't know, what is the oldest person in the jail here in my city.

What you think about it?
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I didn't know it.
Almost here in my country the prison is necessary for the capos drugs, and well I don't know, what is the oldest person in the jail here in my city.

What you think about it?
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