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Old March 17, 2008, 06:28 PM
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sorda o sonora

Hola a todos:

¿Me pueden decir si está bien lo siguiente, por favor?

la /f/ es sordo

la /r/ es sonora

la /m/ es sonora

la /d/ es sonora

la /z/ es sorda

la /p/ es sonora

la /a/ es sonora

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Old March 18, 2008, 04:42 AM
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La /z/ es sonora y la /p/ es sorda. Las demás están todas bien. La /a/ como tú bien dices es sonora porque todas las vocales lo son.
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Old March 18, 2008, 12:18 PM
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Si con /z/ representas la ese sonora del inglés, por ejemplo en fuzzy, entonces es sonora, como dice Iris, aunque este fonema no existe en español.

Pero si te refieres a la interdental del español de, por ejemplo, cenicero, Zaragoza, etc., entonces /z/ es sorda, pero se representa con una zeda griega, que no podemos escribir aquí.

La /p/ es sorda, como dice Iris.
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Old March 21, 2008, 10:07 AM
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Muchas gracias a los dos

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Old March 23, 2008, 04:47 AM
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/ɵ/

Finally, I got the Greek Zed to express the mute inter dental sound: /ɵ/

I also found that, in English, the pronunciation of Zed is /'zed/, what makes the question a bit confusing, since the sound of Zed (/ɵ/) is mute.

Anyway, to write in the forum phonetics symbols, you must import them from Word, Word Perfect, etc.

David, would it be possible to implement phonetics symbols in the forum?
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Old March 23, 2008, 07:22 AM
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Sorry, but I don't understand what you have written about zed. Could you explain it again for slightly challenged intelligences like mine?
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I’m sorry, sure I said something wrongly.
I mean, according to Merriam Webster, Zed is the name, in English, of the Greek letter ɵ, as much as it is of the Latin letter Z.
I said it’s a bit confusing since AFI / IPA (International Phonetics Alphabet) uses Zed, that’s to say /ɵ/, to mean inter dental mute phoneme, when pronunciation of Zed in English is neither mute nor inter dental.
  • Some examples of mute inter dental in English are enough, laugh, etc.
  • Some in Spanish: cenicero, Zaragoza, etcétera, cazar, etc.
  • Some examples of sounded alveolar / prepalatal phoneme in English are: fuzzy, Zed, etc.
  • This sound, /z/, doesn’t exist in Spanish (Pls, don’t ask me for an example ).
I hope it's clearer now.
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Old March 23, 2008, 08:00 AM
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Better, thanks. You can also call it /zi:/ (American English). Might that clear things up a bit?
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And I almost forgot. You say "don't ask me for an example" ...I want to go back to black and I cannot...
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Thanks a lot for your correction and info, Iris. I'm sorry about the big problems you've got with the editing box. Sure you will get on very soon.
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David, would it be possible to implement phonetics symbols in the forum?
That's a really good idea Alfonso, I'll have to look into how to implement that. I don't know exactly how it would work.

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And I almost forgot. You say "don't ask me for an example" ...I want to go back to black and I cannot...
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