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Old June 03, 2010, 07:15 AM
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Tercero ajeno

I think it means third party but I'm not sure.
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Usually we say "terceros".

Damaging third party property. = Dañando la propiedad de terceros.
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Old June 03, 2010, 11:09 AM
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In principle it seems to me someone who is neutral to a dispute between two people, but is there a context, poli?
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agree with angelica
a "tercero ajeno" is someone not only neutral to a dispute between two people, but usually unknow to them

"Los dos detenidos comenzaron a pelear en la calle, golpeando a un tercero ajeno."
Los disparos entre las dos bandas causaron varias bajas entre terceros ajenos (la gente del lugar)"

But more context is better.
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Old June 04, 2010, 06:39 AM
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Angélica y Sosia, espero que encuentre el contexto pero a este momento
no lo encuentro. Sin embargo, según lo que me dicen (o diceis) tercero
ajeno significa innocent bystander en inglés.

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The way I see it.

Tercero = third party

Ajeno = not connected/foreign/alien/beyond our control/not belonging

I would not use it, at least in Chile, just as "tercero ajeno" it has to come with something else, that would explain the no connection etc...

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@Poli: No sólo eso. Puede ser como Sosia dijo, pero también puede ser alguien a quien llamas para intermediar o dar un punto de vista neutral sobre una disputa.

· Llamaron a un nuevo testigo, que es un tercero ajeno, para garantizar su neutralidad ante el caso.
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Tambien un mediator que en inglés puede ser un third party
Despúes de todo quedé en lo cierto.(por lo menos parcialmente)
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I think it means third party but I'm not sure.
It seems to like this un tercer ajeno.
Someone strange for you.

I don't know it could be the possibility in the meaning of the phrase.

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Never heard of that term i n Chile.

Just because by saying "third party(parties)/tercero(s)" it is implying that it is people outside of the problem or whatever is at stake.
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@Poli: No sólo eso. Puede ser como Sosia dijo, pero también puede ser alguien a quien llamas para intermediar o dar un punto de vista neutral sobre una disputa.

· Llamaron a un nuevo testigo, que es un tercero ajeno, para garantizar su neutralidad ante el caso.
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Tras presentar cada perito/tasador de ambas partes sus datos/valores y no ser similares, el juez mandó llamar a un tercero ajeno (un perito independiente)

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I follow and understand all the above posts. Yet, I believe the most common Spanish usage is "tercero ajeno a [whatever is the object]"
Example,
A pesar de que el testigo es definido como aquel tercero ajeno al proceso que es llamado a éste para que aporte el conocimiento que tenga sobre el hecho delictivo [...]
In your exampe above,
el juez mandó llamar a un tercero ajeno (un perito independiente) al juicio/caso (lo que sea).
It seems to be used mainly in Judiciary expressions and Law collocations.
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I have never heared "tercero ajeno" before, and I have some contact with lawyers and all that stuff.. Here you would almost always say: "terceros"
"Sin perjuicios/daños a terceros" is a sentence you would read everywhere. And I'm quite sure this is not only a local thing but common in most Spanish speaking countries.
"El juez mandó a llamar a un tercero al juicio..." etc.
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I have never heared "tercero ajeno" before, and I have some contact with lawyers and all that stuff.. Here you would almost always say: "terceros"
"Sin perjuicios/daños a terceros" is a sentence you would read everywhere. And I'm quite sure this is not only a local thing but common in most Spanish speaking countries.
"El juez mandó a llamar a un tercero al juicio..." etc.

Por lo menos en España es normal tener en el coche "con seguro a terceros"
Todos los ejemplos eran con "tercero ajeno" ya que así era la pregunta.
El término "tercero" entendemos que ya se entiende y se da por entendido
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Old June 07, 2010, 09:48 AM
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I understood something I read in an incorrect way. Thanks sosia.
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