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Old February 06, 2011, 12:48 AM
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Acabo de ver un lema que no entiendo por completo:

Dios devuelvenos las 7 plagas y te regalamos a Zapatero

"Zapatero" se refiere al presidente del gobierno, eso está claro. Pero ¿qué quiere decir "devolver" aquí? ¿Será "Preferimos que nos mandes siete plagas que seguir con ZP"?
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Old February 06, 2011, 03:00 AM
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I must be missing something, because I can't see what the problem might be (other than political judgment). How could it mean otherwise than your interpretation?
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Old February 06, 2011, 04:39 AM
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Devolver porque se supone que ya no existen, y es porque las posee el Señor. Es un poco por decirlo así poético. Usamos devolver cuando alguien toma algo y lo retiene, en este caso por extensión, como las 7 plagas ya no existen.
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Old February 06, 2011, 06:52 AM
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I must be missing something, because I can't see what the problem might be (other than political judgment). How could it mean otherwise than your interpretation?
Devolver to me implies that Spain had "the seven plagues" before, and I've no idea what that could refer to.
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Old February 06, 2011, 12:06 PM
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Devolver to me implies that Spain had "the seven plagues" before, and I've no idea what that could refer to.
Ah - I see your point. I took it as meaning that at some time in the past, mankind generally suffered the plagues, not just the Spanish, who were presumably descendants of same.
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Old February 06, 2011, 01:50 PM
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Acabo de ver un lema que no entiendo por completo:

Dios devuelvenos las 7 plagas y te regalamos a Zapatero

"Zapatero" se refiere al presidente del gobierno, eso está claro. Pero ¿qué quiere decir "devolver" aquí? ¿Será "Preferimos que nos mandes siete plagas que seguir con ZP"?
hahaha!!! sí, quiere decir exactamente lo que interpretas....
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Old February 06, 2011, 03:17 PM
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Ah - I see your point. I took it as meaning that at some time in the past, mankind generally suffered the plagues, not just the Spanish, who were presumably descendants of same.
Exacto, esa idea de que siendo cristianos somos herederos de todas las tradiciones bíblicas -y así hay "años de vacas gordas y años de vacas flacas"-.

El uso de "devolver" está hecho sólo pensando en el efecto que tiene sobre quien lo lee o escucha. Quien hace el llamado patético no puede decir "envíanos" porque estaría deseando el mal propio, así que se inventa una "devolución" para que le cierre la frase. Así la frase no tiene mucho sentido lógico -como toda cosa producto de la pasión- pero produce el efecto esperado.
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Acabo de ver un lema que no entiendo por completo:

Dios devuelvenos las 7 plagas y te regalamos a Zapatero

"Zapatero" se refiere al presidente del gobierno, eso está claro. Pero ¿qué quiere decir "devolver" aquí? ¿Será "Preferimos que nos mandes siete plagas que seguir con ZP"?
You're right, but the political humour forgives the gramatical inexactitud.

Puedes verlo de tres maneras (todas buenas)
A: como perikles: Como humanidad, ya hemos sufrido las 7 plagas, asi que rogamos nos las devuelvan.
B como alecc: para que no suene mal decir "envíanos las 7 plagas"
C: como slogan comercial: Compra XX y te regalamos YY. Aqui, para no entrar en problemas de "Envianos XX y te regalamos YY" ver el punto B de ALEC
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PD: el texto exacto sería "Dios te cambiamos las 7 plagas por Zapatero", pero no tiene el "toque" divertido del original.
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Si nos vuelves a mandar las 7 plagas, te regalamos Zapatero.
Si nos vuelves a enviar las 7 plagas y el Diluvio Universal, te regalamos Berlusconi

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Old February 07, 2011, 09:29 AM
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Si nos vuelves a mandar las 7 plagas, te regalamos a Zapatero.
Si nos vuelves a enviar las 7 plagas y el Diluvio Universal, te regalamos a Berlusconi
Preposition "a" is needed because you're talking about persons... it introduces a slight indirect talk to show respect. (Ok, I know these are politicians, but that's how grammar is).
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Si nos vuelves a mandar las 7 plagas, te regalamos Zapatero.
Si nos vuelves a enviar las 7 plagas y el Diluvio Universal, te regalamos Berlusconi


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(Ok, I know these are politicians, but that's how grammar is).
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agree with pjt about pinosilano's berlusconi and Angélica's politicians
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Old February 09, 2011, 02:51 AM
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Hay países donde el peor gobierno es siempre el actual.
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Hay países donde el peor gobierno es siempre el actual.
Bueno, pero soy optimista. Veo que hay olas de mal gobierno y buen gobierno (o gobierno menos mál). En los año 80 sudamérica tenía gobiernos de pesadilla y ahora se nota que la situación había cambiado y la pesadilla es menos gráfica. El problema es que las cosas no siempre cambian por lo mejor.
En mi país el problema de mál gobierno es más critical, porque cuando hundimos un gran parte del resto del mundo se hunde tambien. Se ve los resultados del irresposible gobierno americano de los años 20 del siglo pasado y de los años 0 en el siglo actual.
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Bueno, pero soy optimista. Veo que hay olas de mal gobierno y buen gobierno (o gobierno menos mál).
Me refería al "Piove! Piove! .... Governo ladro!!!!" de los posts anteriores, que parece ser una constante de la especie humana.
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Se ve los resultados del irresposible gobierno americano de los años 20 del siglo pasado y de los años 0 en el siglo actual.
¿La OEA?
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Me refería al "Piove! Piove! .... Governo ladro!!!!" de los posts anteriores, que parece ser una constante de la especie humana.ahora entiendo
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I agree with pjt33, I see it as "Hey God, we'll trade you, give us the 7 plagues and we'll give you Zapatero." Something like choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
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Something like choosing the least of 2 evils.
The lesser of 2 evils - a comparative, not a superlative.
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Then we can give Zapatero, God has send us Pixter instead the 7 plagues
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