Can we chat here?

[lee ying]

I`d like to have chat room , I mena we can`t see who is online, well we see them but we we can say somethign to them , the message is very slow for sending. =( like the feIZvuk =) hope you can understand me

[Rusty]

David introduced Profile Comments for that purpose. These comments are public (everyone can see them), but you can hold a "conversation" with a person as long as they are logged on. You can also ask a member something if they're not logged on, and they'll be notified that you left a comment in their profile the next time they do log on.

Private messages may also be used. These are not public (no one else sees them except for the member you send them to). Whether the recipient is logged on or not, they are informed that they have a private message to read.

When David set up Profile Comments, there was no support for a "chat room" environment using the software bundle he has been using for this site.

We'll see what he has to say.

[vita32]

I've been to some language sites with chat box featured on it and to me the environment was very disruptive because one cannot concentrate on sending message or doing other stuff allowed on the site because other people who are logged on kept sending messages for chat requests and one cannot continue unless he/she hits the button "ok" and either accept or reject the request. I like the Tomisimo environment without the chat box. It's quiet and yet friendly. This is just my opinion.

[Jessica]

a chat room would be in real time and it would be much quicker, and there could be one room for chat for anything, and another for languages.

[CrOtALiTo]

Hello Lee Ying.

You have been out of the forums during a long time.
Well just you have the propriety of post in all the profiles users and well just it is public and everyone can see your commentaries.

The question if David could creates a chatroom for all users registered here in the forums, of that way, all us can practice together the language, in my case the English, yeah I like your idea and your get better for the forums.

Always I'm searching some many places where I can chat with someone, I have found some many websites, if you want it I can give you the address and you can enter to the websites.

Now I believe that the creation of a chat room can leaves to consideration of the forums's administrator, although the idea not result bad for all us.

In the personal I'd like to have a place where I can post and chat to same time, often I need to chat with some body else independently of the post made of me all the day here with all us.

Now you should to practice more your skill, I tell you this because result a little hard understand your commentary, you tend to use much slang in your words and that can be understanding and misunderstand for the users.

I'm happy of your presence in the forums again.
It begin the method of the learning and you can take it.

I feel time before you got a upgrade of your English now, if you have lift of practice the language it's time of start again, sometime it happened to me often.

I'm not newbie buddy in the forums, but my head sometime doesn't keep all the sufficient information of the language, already that happen for the worrier the work and the family you know, not all us have the enough time for the learning daily.

Have fun.

[Jessica]

it's also quicker to ask questions for practice and answer them

[CrOtALiTo]

Jessica.

Yes I agree with you absolutely with your commentary the forums could be taken as a quicker and fast ask and answer for the users signed on in the date base.

[lee ying]

thanks croalito for the welcome =)
I was comparing with feiz bukk, have you been there? it depend on you if you want to be log on for chatting you can do it if you don´t want to log on don´t do it =) but I think is important because ( El foro estara mas sostificado con mas herramientas ) hope you can understand it ^^

[Tarential]

I feel obliged to point out that at any time any user could register a chat room on a free IRC server and post the link in the general forum (with permission of the mods) as an "unofficial chat room" for the site. Anyone who didn't want to chat wouldn't have to. In addition, the site wouldn't have to be modified at all for the chat to work.

Just my 2c.

[CrOtALiTo]

Yes I got it your explanation.
Although please keep in mind my council.

Sincerely yours.

[irmamar]

Originally Posted by vita32

I've been to some language sites with chat box featured on it and to me the environment was very disruptive because one cannot concentrate on sending message or doing other stuff allowed on the site because other people who are logged on kept sending messages for chat requests and one cannot continue unless he/she hits the button "ok" and either accept or reject the request. I like the Tomisimo environment without the chat box. It's quiet and yet friendly. This is just my opinion.

And I agree with your opinion.

[Jessica]

Originally Posted by vita32

I've been to some language sites with chat box featured on it and to me the environment was very disruptive because one cannot concentrate on sending message or doing other stuff allowed on the site because other people who are logged on kept sending messages for chat requests and one cannot continue unless he/she hits the button "ok" and either accept or reject the request. I like the Tomisimo environment without the chat box. It's quiet and yet friendly. This is just my opinion.

what do you mean by chat requests? also, the chat box will be on another page, so it won't disrupt the environment

[irmamar]

I guess he means that when you're in a chat, sometimes you're invited to a private room.

[Tarential]

I believe what he means is the integrated forum chats where people can send you an invite to chat if you are logged into the forums. If you used IRC instead, which is exactly what IRC is for, then you could save that problem. Only people who wanted to chat would be logged in to chat.

[wafflestomp]

What about a VB shoutbox? When I was an administrator a while back on a vB forum we used this shoutbox: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=148472

It would go above all of the boards and members can type back to each other, sort of like a chatroom. However, this is a much easier setup on a vB forum, and it doesn't take up as much bandwith as a chatroom mod would. And on top of that, it's not like something you have to remain logged into separately or anything. And it certainlly wouldn't take away posting from the forum. It's not like someone would be able to write gigantic questions out in it.

It could be for quick stuff... eg.- "Is 'I be a doctor' a proper English sentence?" a minute later someone writes back saying, "No, you would have to say 'I am a doctor.'

[Jessica]

for a chat you can tell when someone is typing. for a shoutbox it doesn't automatically refreshes. as for a chat when you press enter it automatically comes up

[CrOtALiTo]

I'm sorry Jessica.

I'm doubtfulness with a word that you have told us in your last post.

What is that software shoutbox, because I haven't idea about thus software.

Please I will appreciate your explanation.

[Tarential]

Quick example, isohunt.com (a search engine for torrents that I use, if anyone is interested) has a shoutbox on the right hand side where people can post quick, short messages for anyone loading the site to see.

By the way, I disagree with Jessica that a chat means you can see when everyone else is typing. I mean, it's a perfectly fine feature for 1 on 1 chat but when you have a dozen people chatting it's not very useful. The main feature of a chat is, as you say, the instant send/receive. A shoutbox normally will not automatically refresh, depending on the software. When it does, it will generally reload the entire page and thus use more bandwidth unnecessarily. Thus, poorly coded shoutboxes are not very effective.

That said, good shoutbox software will be updated constantly and will load only what is necessary to refresh it. This is accomplished in the same way that "web based chat" (ie Gmail's AJAX chat system) creates chat. Thus, a properly implemented shoutbox could be used for quick questions and chatting without inhibiting site usage or putting a strain on the server.

All that aside, my vote would still be for a properly implemented IRC room. It is a protocol that can be implemented by many different clients, so people could connect via the website (a Java applet), from their local computer on Windows (via say mIRC or some better software), from Linux or other operating systems (xchat I believe works on Mac as well as UNIX/Linux). They could even connect and chat via their cell phones if they wanted. That is the beauty of using a well established protocol such as Internet Relay Chat (IRC). People can choose their own way of doing things.

Well, in the end my opinion doesn't matter much. I wouldn't be one of the main users of the chat. Those who would use it often might wish to consider the points I've made, however. It would benefit all the users to have a versatile chat room. In addition, it wouldn't take any complicated setup like the shoutbox would.

[CrOtALiTo]

Originally Posted by Tarential

Quick example, isohunt.com (a search engine for torrents that I use, if anyone is interested) has a shoutbox on the right hand side where people can post quick, short messages for anyone loading the site to see.

By the way, I disagree with Jessica that a chat means you can see when everyone else is typing. I mean, it's a perfectly fine feature for 1 on 1 chat but when you have a dozen people chatting it's not very useful. The main feature of a chat is, as you say, the instant send/receive. A shoutbox normally will not automatically refresh, depending on the software. When it does, it will generally reload the entire page and thus use more bandwidth unnecessarily. Thus, poorly coded shoutboxes are not very effective.

That said, good shoutbox software will be updated constantly and will load only what is necessary to refresh it. This is accomplished in the same way that "web based chat" (ie Gmail's AJAX chat system) creates chat. Thus, a properly implemented shoutbox could be used for quick questions and chatting without inhibiting site usage or putting a strain on the server.

All that aside, my vote would still be for a properly implemented IRC room. It is a protocol that can be implemented by many different clients, so people could connect via the website (a Java applet), from their local computer on Windows (via say mIRC or some better software), from Linux or other operating systems (xchat I believe works on Mac as well as UNIX/Linux). They could even connect and chat via their cell phones if they wanted. That is the beauty of using a well established protocol such as Internet Relay Chat (IRC). People can choose their own way of doing things.

Well, in the end my opinion doesn't matter much. I wouldn't be one of the main users of the chat. Those who would use it often might wish to consider the points I've made, however. It would benefit all the users to have a versatile chat room. In addition, it wouldn't take any complicated setup like the shoutbox would.

Yes and well we can create a forum in the MIRC (IRC).

There is free and you haven't pay anything, now I see very expensive the use of a char room with IRC protocols in the website, because David would need a exclusive server for the Linus turn on all the day, and he will need to pay the right of the use in the telecommunications.

I vote for the IRC use in the MIRC.

[Tarential]

No, I'm sorry but you have it wrong. You do not need to run the IRC server yourself in order to have a java IRC client on the website. The java IRC client will connect to any server based on your configuration (some even allow the user to select which server they want).

"Creating" a chat room via mIRC or any other client means registering your channel with the server operator (usually a bot that allows automatic registration). At that point you will be able to tell the bot to use IRC operator commands and perform channel maintenance. Anyone can then connect via any client they want, including but not limited to a java web applet or mIRC. It is free, and hosting the java applet requires nothing more complex than hosting any other web content (to the web server it is just a file like any other, it doesn't do any server side processing -- java is all run locally).

I hope that makes it more clear.