Jaloncito de orejas

[Glen]

Does darle a alguien un jaloncito de orejas mean
1) to scold someone, or
2) to "put a bug in someone's ear" (meaning to give someone a friendly suggestion)?

They're very different meanings of course, and I seem to have heard both.

Not to be a stickler for grammar, but either way, shouldn't it be a la oreja since the ears themselves aren't the ones doing the pulling?

[chileno]

Originally Posted by Glen

Does darle a alguien un jaloncito de orejas mean
1) to scold someone, or
2) to "put a bug in someone's ear" (meaning to give someone a friendly suggestion)?

They're very different meanings of course, and I seem to have heard both.

Not to be a stickler for grammar, but either way, shouldn't it be a la oreja since the ears themselves aren't the ones doing the pulling?

When a person uses the diminutive, invariably will be "friendly".

Now, the term means both of your suggestions including the actual pull of someone's ears.

I'd say that in English is used pretty much in the same way.

And no, no "a" in there, it would change the meaning of the phrase. Can you tell us why?

[Elaina]

Originally Posted by chileno

When a person uses the diminutive, invariably will be "friendly".

Now, the term means both of your suggestions including the actual pull of someone's ears.

I'd say that in English is used pretty much in the same way.

And no, no "a" in there, it would change the meaning of the phrase. Can you tell us how?

Creo que le acabas de dar un "jaloncito de orejas" a Glen....

[AngelicaDeAlquezar]

For a Mexican it means to scold someone, to make them see they did something wrong or to announce some sort of punishment for what they did; I never heard it to make friendly suggestions.

In former times, this was an actual physical punishment. Parents would pull your ears for being disrespectful, the priest would pull your ears for not listening to his sermon, the teacher would pull your ears for doing wrong your homework...
Now it's mostly used figuratively though.

- Tuve que darle un jalón de orejas a mi hijo: le dije que es la última vez que llega tarde, o le voy a quitar el coche.

- El jefe me dio un jalón de orejas por no presentar cifras de ventas actualizadas en la junta; me dijo que es la última vez que me equivoco o voy a perder el empleo.

- A esos jóvenes que pintan las paredes hay que darles un buen jalón de orejas o van a acabar muy mal.

- No te enojes porque tu papá te regañó por no ir a la escuela; es un jaloncito de orejas a ver si reaccionas y cumples con tus obligaciones.


[Oh and a little note on the use of diminutives: Mexicans can use them to avoid making sound harsh something, but intending it to actually be harsher, so don't take for granted that there's always a friendly intention behind a diminutive. ]

[chileno]

To be harsh with love...

@Elaina:

Not according to me, I just explained.

[Glen]

Originally Posted by chileno

And no, no "a" in there, it would change the meaning of the phrase. Can you tell us how?

Thanks for throwing out the challenge, but after racking my brains I still can't figure out why no "a" in there. I give up. Help!

[chileno]

No grammar here...

With an "a" in there, it would be the equivalent of telling you:

I am going to pull one of your ears.

Would that be the same as saying "I am going to pull your ears"?

Does that make sense?

[Glen]

Well, I must have got hung up on the preposition "de" maybe meaning that the ears themselves were doing the pulling. Makes sense now. So it's not a mere friendly suggestion like putting a bug in someone's ear. That clears it up. Thanks!

[carlosvilas]

This expression has its equivalent in Spain: "Dar un tirón de orejas" or "Dar un tironcito de orejas".

Try not to use the word "jaloncito" when you speak with someone from Spain, cause they won't understand you

[chileno]

Correct. In Chile we also use tirón o tironcito...

[pinosilano]

Originally Posted by carlosvilas

This expression has its equivalent in Spain: "Dar un tirón de orejas" or "Dar un tironcito de orejas".

Try not to use the word "jaloncito" when you speak with someone from Spain, cause they won't understand you

Originally Posted by chileno

Correct. In Chile we also use tirón o tironcito...

► Jalar

[carlosvilas]

pinosilano, I never said that "jalar" was an incorrect term, but use this word with people from outside Mexico and they won't understand you. I'm sorry but that's a fact.

I'm not saying that one form is better than the other one, both two forms of this modism are correct, but sometimes it's really important to know where and when to use each of them.

[chileno]

I agree with Carlos.

[pinosilano]

Originally Posted by carlosvilas

pinosilano, I never said that "jalar" was an incorrect term, but use this word with people from outside Mexico and they won't understand you. I'm sorry but that's a fact.

I'm not saying that one form is better than the other one, both two forms of this modism are correct, but sometimes it's really important to know where and when to use each of them.

Originally Posted by chileno

I agree with Carlos.

Tampoco yo quise decir que jalar no es correcto. Quise demostrar por qué ni en España ni en Chile se entendería el término, como dice carlosvilas y chileno.
Jalar es muy usado en México y con varias acepciones. He sabido que también en Costa Rica es usado y que proviene de 'halar'.

“Jalar” es el mismo verbo “halar”, pronunciado con aspiración de la “h”, rasgo fonético muy común en Castellano: “joyo”, por “hoyo”; “jabillo” por “habillo”; “jembra” por “hembra”; “jambre” por “hambre”; “jumo” por “humo”; “jicotea” por “hicotea”, etc.

"jalar" en glosario de jergas y modismos de Argentina:
(drog.) Inhalar drogas toxicomanígenas en polvo o vapor.

De todos modos existe mucha confusión sobre la palabra 'jalar'

¿halar o "jalar"?

'Dió la última jaleada al cigarrillo y lo tiró', en Chile se dice 'Tiró la última piteada al pitillo y lo botó' si recuerdo como se debe

[carlosvilas]

Right! In Spain you could hear the word "jalar" but just if someone is really hungry...

- "Tengo un hambre que no veas, me voy a jalar" (colloquially speaking)

Similar to "sobar" if someone is really sleepy...

- "Tengo un sueño tremendo, me voy a sobar"

[pinosilano]

Originally Posted by pinosilano

'Dió la última jaleada al cigarrillo y lo tiró', en Chile se dice 'Tiró la última piteada al pitillo y lo botó' si recuerdo como se debe

Cometí un error con "última jaleada al cigarrillo": es 'jalada al cigarrillo' pues 'jalear es toda otra cosa:

jalear
tr. Llamar [a los perros] a voces.
Animar con palmadas y expresiones [a los que bailan y cantan].
fam.Excitar, soliviantar, hacer ruido.
(Chile) Importunar, molestar.
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